Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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  1. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    No.

    Your definition of a woman was a person conceived with the capacity to have children.

    Except that many women don't have that ability.

    Welcome to the modern world, where conservative beliefs are being shredded.
     
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  2. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    What a sad state that a woman "can only have her freedom" in this country if she is allow to kill her unborn baby. Do you really believe that without abortion woman have no freedoms in this country? Everything hinges on a right to kill her unborn offspring?
     
  3. Pieces of Malarkey

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    Define "many".
     
  4. HurricaneDitka

    HurricaneDitka Well-Known Member

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    The funny part about this is just how wrong you are on the fundamental facts. Most of Europe has more restrictive abortion laws than are allowed under Roe v Wade. How did you get this confused about reality?
     
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  5. ToughTalk

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    English is not progressives strong...a biological tendency towards gestation just means that nature is giving you some or all of the tools to get impregnated. It doesn't mean they have to be fully functional...only that their design is towards gestation.

    That's it. My definition includes all those it should while disallowing all those it shouldn't .
     
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    A right to bodily autonomy. I think that’s a thing most people feel should be a pretty basic freedom.
     
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  7. ToughTalk

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    if only it were as simple as that.
     
  8. Arkanis

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    The problem is that your definition excludes millions of Americans who were born male but have always felt like a woman.

    They have paid for transformation surgeries, undergone hormonal treatments and so on.

    So you exclude all these people.

    Conservatism is on the decline because your binary view of society no longer fits with reality.
     
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  9. Natty Bumpo

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    If you need to pretend that a microscopic, mindless clump of cells is a "baby" someone is "killing" to justify authoritarian statists seizing a long-recognized personal freedom away from an American, that is your ploy, apparently. Most Americans, especially in advanced states, will not retrogress to appease ideologues.
     
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  10. Pieces of Malarkey

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    Nice diversion but none of those people are actually women. Being a woman is defined biologically, not by your tender and irrational feelings. Your non-binary view of society is merely a fever dream.
     
  11. ToughTalk

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    That's actually NOT the problem. That's the gift. What you are describing is a MENTAL DISORDER...not an order. Order would be where the body matches the brain. A DISORDER is where they are not inline. The reality here isn't feelings...it's what nature has developed your body towards.

    That's science. That's reality. This subject has turned people more towards conservatism, not away from it. It's **** like this that will help you lose elections.

    Even old school transsexuals believe that the definition of woman HAS to be based on natural reality of the body. Otherwise there is no transition. Everyone can be woman at any time and the word has no meaning. That's exactly why we label them as "trans" woman as different from woman.

    Hope this catches you up.
     
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  12. Arkanis

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    Please.

    For conservatives, anything that doesn't fit into your definition of things is a mental disorder.

    200 years ago, it was the theory of evolution.

    Sixty years ago, it was multi-racial couples, the emancipation of women.

    Today, it's homosexuality and transgender people.

    Science does not create a paradigm to which it's real.

    It observes and modifies its conclusions according to reality.

    It's not easy for me either.

    But the difference with you is that I am open to understand .... and also to accept these people for who they are.

    Anyway, this is another fight that conservatives are going to lose.

    Society is changing.
     
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    That's a feature, not a bug. It's a definition designed to highlight reality to the mentally ill.
     
  14. Bluesguy

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    There is nothing pretend about and abortions happen long after the zygote stage of a BABY'S life.
     
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    There is no way that an authoritarian can spin what is threatened other than an abrogation of personal freedom that has been respected for half-a-century, supported by most Americans, in concert with the progress that has been made in advanced democratic nations.

    In 2019, 92.7% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation; a smaller number of abortions (6.2%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, well before lungs develop between 21 and 25 weeks. Consciousness cannot occur before the development of peripheral nerves, spinal cord, brainstem, thalamus, and cerebral cortex at about 26 weeks of gestation.

    Medical abortions are the increasingly preferred option in the earliest stages of pregnancy, currently approved up to 10 weeks but may be effective beyond that. Whether repressive states will interdict the mail and/or eavesdrop on internet communications of pregnant women is yet to be seen. Politicians in Alabama, Missouri, and Tennessee have already passed laws that bar medication abortion through telemedicine.
     
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  16. Bluesguy

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    I do not need a history of the unfounded right right to kill an unborn baby.

    CREATED with the inherent RIGHT TO LIFE. What is so difficult to understand?
     
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    You sound like a zealot.

    Most Americans are not, and oppose the authoritarians arrogating the freedom of women that has been respected under established precedent.
     
  18. Bluesguy

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    You have nothing of intellectual merit to add. My points remain.
     
  19. Natty Bumpo

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    If authoritarian statists need to fantasize the the majority of Americans are intellectually and morally deficient, especially those in progressive states, that it what they will do.
     
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    There are adults alive today who were born earlier than 26 weeks of gestation.
     
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    The earliest survival is about 22 weeks gestation at birth. The age of viability is 24 weeks.

    The majority of abortions in 2019 took place early in gestation: 92.7% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation; a smaller number of abortions (6.2%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (<1.0%) were performed at ≥21 weeks’ gestation.

    Extremist authoritarians are fanatical about their politicians seizing control away from a woman at the instant a microscopic zygote develops.
     
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    The truth is that advanced democratic nations respect a woman making a personal choice, informed by whichever medical experts and spiritual advisers she trusts. Most countries in the European Union allow abortion on demand during the first trimester, with Sweden and the Netherlands having more extended time limits.

    On the other hand, in Iran, Egypt, Honduras, and El Salvador, the government seizes control of the womb and dictates.

    Such a divide could well develop between advanced and retrogressive States.
     
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  23. Bluesguy

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    Your post was not a fantasy, they were your words.
     
  24. Natty Bumpo

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    I provided you with the accurate data.

    Since it doesn't fit your agenda, your pretending that there is "nothing of intellectual merit" in the facts that cause most Americans to support preserving personal freedom is noted.
     
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    21 weeks. Richard Hutchinson and James Gill.
     

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