The Atheist 'Pay 50 Shekels for a Rape, Get A Rape' Myth

Her fault? How is a victim ever at fault for being the victim?

.This is God we're talking about. He could shower her with everything needed, afterall God is omnipotent.

I would prefer God to take care of his victimized children. See above.

 

Is God Omniscient?

 

Is God not ominpotent and omniscient?
IE, he can do anything and he knows before hand what will happen. If the rape were not to happen and God thought it was going to happen, God would not be omniscient. Or if God didn't know the rape was going to happen and it happen, then God is not omniscient.

 

Amazing how they use just lingistic gymnastics to some how include free will in their plan.

If free will exists, it outside of gods control, god is not god.
If god knows everything that will happen before it happens, then free will does not exist.

The two do not play well.

 

Yes, He is.

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What is your alternative?

 

Never said she was, I was responding to someone else.

He did, through holding the attacker responsible for her provision, with no possibility of divorce. If only we held men today to the same standards who knock up women and leave.

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Not if God allows free will, as opposed to your caricature.

I reject that premise, it makes no sense.

 

So then god is trumped by free will?

How does free will exist if your version of god claims to know people before they are born (Jeremiah 1:5)? How can god know people before they are born unless god already knows what we perceive as future events?

Your apologetic gymnastics are failing.

 

You seriously can't think of an alternative to forcing a woman to marry her rapist !!?!?!

...to awarding a rapist a lifelong slave? ?



That is just sick.....

 

It's nothing but a damn rule book written by men who wanted folks to follow the rules....No "God" had anything to do with it.

 

What's your alternative in that culture?

That's your view of marriage?

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Uh, no.

I'm still waiting for you to come up with a contradiction. Why not try 'can God make a rock so big He can't carry it'?

 

How many times do you need me to repeat it? If a culture is so morally backward that they think a woman who has been raped can't be married, and that women in general can't do a job other than prostitution, then that culture should take care of a woman for the rest of her life is she gets raped. That is infinitely better than making her marry her rapist and, as a result, suffer further rapes for the rest of her life.

 

Actually, a Biblical verse commanding all of society to treat women as equals and that just because they are raped that doesn't make them sub-human would be preferable.

But apparently basic human decency is beneath your supposedly perfectly moral god.

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This. Apparently we atheists are more moral than the Christian god.

 

Yet it still tells people to repent. Are you saying God just didn't bother to put an admonition of forcing raped women into slavery or prostitution because he didn't think it was worth it?

That is the figure you put up as being perfectly moral?

 

God didn't even bother advising. Isn't the Bible supposed to lay out perfect morality?

 

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When a woman is FORCED to marry a man that is slavery.

 

The culture was what it was, I don't get your point. Our culture is morally backward in many ways yet God allows our free will to continue.

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When a woman is FORCED to marry a man that is slavery.[/QUOTE]

Dodge noted on the alternative question, if you won't answer my questions why should I answer yours?

 

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What dodge? Show me....there's only one poster in here who needs to dodge...

show me the dodge

 

"Dodge noted" is just one of those moldy internet cliches, used as here when there's no response.

Its only value is the unintended humour of trying to use it as a dodge.

 

I will tell you what my alternative to a lifetime of repeated rape is. If I were forced so, at my first opportunity I would put a knife into his heart.

 

Dodge noted.

What is your alternative to the provision to the woman stated in the Bible? IMHO that Biblical passage in itself would deter rapists.

 

How would it deter rapists? It gives them a victim that they are able to freely rape forever.

 

I answered that...is your god so stupid HE can't think of a decent alternative?
Originally Posted by FoxHastings
No, the bible(the word of a loving just god) should've intructed the people of the times to show compassion and treat her as any other woman. The bible (the word of a loving , just god) should've reprimanded the people if they forced her to starve or become a prostitute because of the actions of someone else.....

You really can't think of an alternative to being forced to marry a rapist?
Do you recommend that for women today?


If your god wasn't so nasty he would say,
"Rape is a terrible crime. Punish the rapist NOT the victim. Show the victim love and compassion, do not force her to be raped again and again the rest of her life. Treat her,as you should all humans , with respect. Let her marry as she chooses, let her pursue her interests as she chooses....SHOW THE LOVE AND COMPASSION MY FOLLOWERS SWEAR I HAVE.""

 

The fine of a year's salary alone would deter some. Maybe you can answer my question? What is a better alternative to that difficult situation? As far as the woman not having a choice in marriage in that culture, that was probably the case with most marriages then.

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So if the rapist was executed like they were when an engaged woman was raped, who would provide for the victim you claim you are so concerned about? Nobody in that culture would marry her, leaving her to choose between starvation or prositution.

 

And BTW, have yopu noted a big drop in rapes since then?


I'll answer since you will doge...NO, rape continues...

 

SOCIETY SHOULD HAVE BEEN COMMANDED TO CARE FOR THESE WOMEN. Was it really not in your supposedly omnipotent God's power to command their society to change?

Why is it so hard for you to recognize that alternative when it has been put forward by literally EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has commented on this thread?

Why is it that atheists are showing way more morality than your god did?