The Atheist 'Pay 50 Shekels for a Rape, Get A Rape' Myth

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    So if your god told them""Rape is a terrible crime. Punish the rapist NOT the victim. Show the victim love and compassion, do not force her to be raped again and again the rest of her life. Treat her,as you should all humans , with respect. Let her marry as she chooses, let her pursue her interests as she chooses....SHOW THE LOVE AND COMPASSION MY FOLLOWERS SWEAR I HAVE.""
    they would IGNORE that instruction but not the ones in the OP?

    Why would your god give instructions if the people of the time did as they pleased anyway.


    You DODGED..." Do you recommend those instructions for women today?
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    So you use the Paradox of a Stone as a means of proving that god can know everything that is going to occur, and free will is still a mystery?

    lol

    Your apologetic gymnastics are failing.
     
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    Unfortunately that happens today also. People have free will, and many misuse it, like the atheists on this forum.


    In the first case of execution for rape of an engaged/married woman, yes. If you're asking if women should marry the rapist today, of course not, there are many options for a woman to be self-supporting today, including government assistance, and she propably would be able to marry later if she chose.

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    No, that was an example of a dumb question atheists ask in their attempts to smear God.
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    So you use an example that dismisses the idea of Omnipotence, regards it as a paradox, so somehow contradict my argument?

    You use an anti-theistic argument as a means of victory? lol
     
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    your word choice is failing, put another "L' in that last word! :D
     
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    definitely sounds like a gross injustice to me
     
  7. FoxHastings

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    In the days of your quote are you implying that ALL women had no choice but to become prostitutes or starve...there was NO other way of life for women during those times.....??
    What a monster your god must be to condemn all woman to that.
     
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    You people opining on God's word remind me of the story of the woman touring the Lourve giving her opinion of the museum. The guard told her, 'The museum isn't on trial here, you are.'

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    Always amusing to see those who say they don't believe in a personal God hate Him in a personal way. Your bile is showing.
     
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    Always amusing to see your dodge showing.....whenever someone is losing a debate they resort to "Oh you hater." and avoid those impertinent questions...:)
     
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    were not the one that said these thongs, the bible did

    if that quote was in the Satanic bible instead of the Christan bible, I think some would have no issue seeing how evil it is


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    "A woman" of course, tho it would serve as well if it were a man. A bit-o- sexism showing there
    You are on trial with your every word.

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    Always amusing to see you claiming that others "deflect" but cant seem to be on topic yourself.

    Even more amusing would be see how you goddies never can understand that when the nomal people speak of god, it is about a character in a novel, not something real.

    Another one for amusement, but not yours: how you would discover things look so different out of a woman/s eyes, should you god decide on a little "miracle".

    That bible-"god" was invented by men. They'd never write the book from a womans pov, cause they wont like the idea of their little tool turning black and falling off. Free sex-by-force for life
    sounds a lot better. Dont you think so?
     
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    Why are Christians offended and embarrassed by the Bible?

    I am always amazed at how few Christians are willing to answer the difficult questions regarding the undesirable verses.
     
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    The issue on this is whether an instruction to force a rape victim to marry her attacker can come from a morally perfect god or not. Supposedly, your god gave these instructions to Moses who relayed them to the other Jews. Either 1) Moses got it wrong, 2) the Bible is wrong on this, or 3) the Bible and Moses relayed it correctly and your god is a monster. Any instruction that sentences a rape victim to a lifetime of rape is abhorrent. It's now just a matter of deciding whether your god actually issued that command or not. Plenty of folks (and you, presumably) do think that. In that case, those folks believe in a despicable being.
     
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    It makes no sense the other way.
    If everything in known. All of our decisions are already known. We can't change what is already known. EVER.
     
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    I have no idea what you're talking about.

    Its been answered. The Bible is meant to lead people to God, not to answer every question skeptics can think up. It isn't as if atheist don't have questions either, unless you know what set off the Big Bang or how the first non-life became life.

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    Why wouldn't an omniscient God know what decision one of His creatures would make?

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    Why don't you answer my question, what if your alternative 'better' choice to provide for the innocent victim in that time and place? When dealing with fallen man, sometimes there is no perfect one.
     
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    OK, why don't you answer my question? All I hear are crickets chirping.
     
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    Atheism is a disbelief in a personal deity, in what way is particle physics and abiogenesis related to atheism?
     
  18. FoxHastings

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    What unanswed question?

    The last unanswered question was mine to you:
    In the days of your quote are you implying that ALL women had no choice but to become prostitutes or starve...there was NO other way of life for women during those times.....??
     
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    I hear atheists here calling God 'evil', how do you even use that term? A dead universe doesn't care.

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    Yes, what was the alternative 'better' than God's plan back then? Do you think someone would marry a raped woman, or any woman who was sexually active before marriage?
     
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    Hard to answer questions with such screwed grammar....""""Yes, what was the alternative 'better' than God's plan back then?"""

    I get it now though....christians were so stupid then that your god figured he couldn't get them to understand that raped women were not damaged goods. But IF he was a loving , compassionate being he would've instructed them to be loving and compasionate to rape victims but he didn't , Instead HE gave them rotten, nasty instructions on how to continue the ill-treatment of women...

    I wonder why he created a being just to be cruel to it....a monster...
     
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    I never got an answer to:

    How is a married or engaged woman different from any other woman that the punishment for raping her should be different?
     
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    See the OP, please.
     
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    Are you seriously asking me to repeat myself for a third time?

    When I was a child and more insensitive, I might have asked if you had a cognitive disability after asking me the same question three (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) times.

    If we pretend for a moment that I didn't give the same better alternative three times, and that I was at a loss for a solution, that wouldn't matter. I'm not an omnipotent, omniscient being giving direction to my "chosen people." If a god cannot come up with a better consequence of rape than one that results in a lifetime of further rape for the victim, then that god has no business being called morally perfect, benevolent, omniscient or any other adjective that would otherwise lead someone to believe that people should take its advice on what is right.
     
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    Your utopian world is interesting, but what if that community didn't want to care for a raped girl? My question still needs an answer in the context of that society, not the one you wish existed.
     
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    Nice dodge but no answer in the OP......
     

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