The Merck Manual says a Fetus is a baby

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  1. Cady

    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If it is a the foundation for a house, why not? That's the first stage of the house. Other stages are:

    Stage 2 - Framing
    Stage 3 - Plumbing, Mechanical, Electrical
    Stage 4 - Insulation and Drywall
    Stage 5 - Exterior and Interior Finish
     
  2. Whaler17

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    None of which is the same entity when finished as it was when began.
    A human being is the same entity throughout development. Read the OP.
     
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    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The point at which an entity becomes a human being is not established. There is no consensus on that point among scholars. A baby is not a fetus, a fetus is not an embryo, an embryo is not a zygote.
     
  4. Whaler17

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    A baby is a human being, a fetus is a baby, it is obvious that you are wrong!

    AGAIN, READ THE OP!
     
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    "baby" is not a medical or scientific term. Kind of the same as "tummy" and such.. They are colloquial terms. "baby" is just a way to say very young offspring at the beginning of life.

    There is nothing at all to preclude anyone from calling a fetus a baby.

    Some abortion advocates like to protest and whine about perfectly valid and legitimate use of a particular term in leue of dealing with the point. As though if you call it something else that changes anything.
     
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    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Read ANY medical dictionary. A baby is an infant from birth to a year or toddlerhood.



    http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/baby
     
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    No, I am not. I read it right the first time.
     
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    A concrete slab means nothing. There is no developing house. Not yet.
     
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    So is an old man. Does that mean that the fertilized egg is an old man?
     
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    Is the same entity as an old man? Sure, even you said so!
    The entity is a human being!
     
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    Really? Are you saying that the concrete slab that is the foundation of the house is changed in any way when the house is finished? Is the framing replaced with something else? Obviously you are again attempting to mask your lack of knowledge and understanding of this issue.
     
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    Who made that decision?

    You mean other than a desire to confuse and then appeal to emotion?

    But you are right, we all know what it is and that is why abortion is OK.
     
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    So it is OK then to call an old man a zygote?

    No it is not. Human beings have organs and sustain their on life processes and homeostasis.
     
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    Um no. They clarify it from the get go "A BABY" goes through several stages of development....".

    Everything after that describes the stages of development the BABY goes through.
     
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    It is amazing how they type with such confidence about something they clearly haven't even read. :no:
     
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    A teenager goes through those stages too. Is a fetus a teenager?
     
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    Is a fetus a stage in the teenager's development? Of course. Teenager, fetus, toddler, adult, embryo, blastocyst, are all human being subgroups.

    That one seemed extremely desperate Cady.
     
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    Of course Whaler, you are right...and I can provide you with numerous quotes from other medical texts that confirm that at the moment of conception a new, unique human being is formed...again.

    I have provided this info numerous times before, but it seems that the pro-abortion crowd has problems understanding basic science.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3eUVjnhs1c"]PP war on science[/ame]
     
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    FAIL!!!!!

    The quote obviously states that a baby begins as a fertilized egg.
     
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    You fail to see the whole picture. A HUMAN BEING goes through numerous stages of development...starting at conception and continuing until death. AMONG the stages a human goes through are zygote, embryo, fetus, toddler, adolescence, Young adulthood, middle adulthood, late adulthood (seniors)...

    BTW...nowhere, in any medical or psychological text, do you see the abortionist shorthand term 'ZEF'...used to dehumanize the unborn baby they plan to kill.
     
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    Keep posting, you are solidifying my correctness better than I am.

    A concrete slab does not in and of itself has everything needed to accomplish the building of a house. A zygote and a concrete slab are apples and freight trains. Your analogy is silly at best.
     
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    Good lord.....lol. Your really confused on the subject aren't you?

    Proper term is adolescent. Fetus, like toddler, infant, adult, adolescent are all different stages within the human life cycle.
     
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    What compelled you to re-post a lie again? Do you really believe that dishonest posting repeatedly will somehow or magically lend you credibility?
     
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    Glad to help in showing that time and again you are and remain uninformed.

    Oh so all we have to do to have a house is just pile ALL the material on a concrete slab and it will become a house by magic.

    It is not surprising that you either are not capable of grasping it or lacking the integrity to recognized its validity.
     
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    Something growing is not the same as something being built.
     

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