The Merck Manual says a Fetus is a baby

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  1. Otter

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    Yep...but basic facts are ignored by abortion supporters in their quest to protect the legalized killing of the unborn.
     
  2. Cady

    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Stages of human development are:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_development_(biology)

    As you can see, "fetus" is a stage of prenatal development, and "baby" is a stage of postnatal development.
     
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    An analogy is a comparison of two different things that are alike in some way. You're welcome.
     
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    Good, you almost made the connection. From fertilization to geriatric death, all of those stages belong to the human life cycle.

    Where you fell, is when you tried to create a wall b/w prenatal and postnatal development. Get rid of that artificial wall and see the human being from start to finish.
     
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    And obviously he was pointing out how much they are NOT alike.
     
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    Why do the abortion promoters here all ignore what the actual Merck site says and keep running off on tangents of what they think a baby is?

    One thing that is blatantly obvious is that a zygote, fetus, blastocyst, embro, baby, toddler, adolescent, adult, senior adult are all human beings.
     
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    In an analogy, they don't have to be alike in any way but one.
     
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    There is very definitely a wall between prenatal and postnatal development. And obviously if a fetus is prenatal stage, and a baby is postnatal stage, they are not the same stage.
     
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    Correct. We are all HUMAN from the moment of conception to death, no matter what stage of development you are currently in. And the quibbling about when to call a human a 'baby' is just plain silly. Go to any OB-GYN pregnant, and what are you told?

    YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A BABY. You need to get prenatal care so your BABY will be healthy...

    NOT a 'fetus' and certainly NOT a 'ZEF'....

    DUH!!!!
     
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    Give it up. I assisted in NICU...and we had 24 week gestational babies that survived there...and they were 'postnatal'...because they had been born.

    'Natal' means 'birth'.

    :roll: Try again.
     
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    I know natal means birth. And a fetus is a prenatal stage regardless of how many gestational weeks it is. Baby is a postnatal stage. Not sure what your point is.
     
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    Not according to the many OB-GYN doctors I have worked with...but then again, they were not straining at gnats like abortionists seem to do to justify their positions...:roll:
     
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    The OB-GYNs you worked with said...what? A fetus is the postnatal stage? A baby is the prenatal stage? What?
     
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    My, my. You sure have problems with basic concepts, don't you?

    Try following the thread...I was responding to your inane statement.

    BTW...have you actually HAD a baby?
     
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    A fetus stops being fetus and becomes a baby by being born. That's why the NICU deals with Neonates. New Born Babies. NBBICU is a bit of a mouthful.
     
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    Couldn't explain your own post? You are soooo transparent.
     
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    Point being, that the fetus stage is arbitrary in that the baby can be born at any given time period within that span of time during pregnancy where the baby is in the fetus stage. If the baby is born at 30 weeks, it's what we call premature right? But the baby stopped being a "fetus" 10 weeks early? So this means the terms are only relevant during certain time frames or circumstances. Do we call a premature baby a "fetus"? No, but in actuality, that baby still has 10 weeks to go within the time frame generally known as the fetus stage right?

    Does the fact that a boy goes from age 17 to 18 really make him an adult? No, it's just an artificial marker we use.

    Does an adolescent really become an adolescent at 13? What about folks who hit puberty at 11 or 10?
     
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    If a fetus is not a human being or a baby, then how can a premature baby be born and survive and look just like every other human being on the planet?

    This is where your argument dies.....
     
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    A premature baby is a baby when it's born. I don't see an enigma here. It doesn't contradict my position whatsoever.
     
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    You're trying to complicate a simple concept. Regardless of its gestational age, before birth, it is a fetus, and after birth, it is a baby.
     
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    "Going to have" and "will be" are future tense. Meaning not NOW. Not currently.
     
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    Do you not lay claim that before birth a baby is not a human being?
     
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    No, I have never said that. No one knows the point at which one becomes a human being. There are many theories, but no consensus after long years of debate.
     
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    Not the same but analogous. Something developing is not the same as something developed and so on.
     
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    Which facts are those and why are they compelling?
     

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