The more Godless America becomes, the more 'uncivil' it also becomes

'2150 AD' by Thea Alexander

http://www.amazon.com/2150-A-D-Thea-Plym-Alexander/dp/0446827746/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t

good read that give a different perspective of it all

 

Why respond to something like "But cheap shotting (sic) is just so much more fun than reading postings and giving 'civil' responses, huh? "

I mean, here you are doing just that, but I guess I have to point it out. Look look, you are doing just what you describe!

Cant take it? Ha.

You'd have to actually say something that connects to test that.

"self righteous indignation". Yep, making things up is a typical one for fundies.



Which characteristic is it that you do not have in common with fundies?

 

I already got trapped into 'tit-for-tat' once on this thread, but I blame in on our neighbors who came over with a pitcher of Margaritas to watch the Dback game, and I was texting between innings...

Unfortunately we here in the desert SW are 'obligated' to support the Mexican Blue Agave industry

EDIT:
Btw, ppl think that those who know the scriptures are all 'fundies." So, in your case, being familiar with wiping your rectum would make you an (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*), huh?

Oops..was that a 'tit-'..?!

NOTE TO MODS: When did "A" and "hole" hit the profanity filter?!! (going to have to get Ctrl on that)

 

I wont say you arent good at it! That was kind of fun, but sure, once tit trapped twice shy.. I think that is an American idiom.

In my case, i think it was, yes, I blame the BBQ squid affecting my personailty.

(what would happen if you used the bible to wipe...?)

 

FYI: the Bible as a printed work is just type on paper w/o the Spirit to illuminate (give it life & meaning) it.

I've purposely dropped a Bible on the floor in front of a group I was teaching to make that point---it's merely ink & paper ...of course it did offend 'some ppl!'

But, yeah, if I was in the boonies and out of TP, I'd use it! [Note: I'd start out with the 'begat' pages 1st]

 

Ok! proved beyond my least doubt that you will never get into the fundie club!

I guess tehre was a big fuss because some professor-wherever-had a project that the students wree to write "Jesus" on a piece of paper, then set it on the floor.

The q was, would you step on it if so, if not, why? apparently some mormon kid all but beat up the prof. Did get himself suspended for threatening behaviour.

Not understanding the diff between symbol and substance seems a problem for some.

You sound like you have a most unconventional approach. More proof of unfundiism!

 

Me? No...not because that piece of paper was 'Holy,'
but for GP (general principle), to make a statement to the prof, keep my GPA from reaching 4.0, ...it's a natural 'physical response' of all humans when 'pushed,' to 'push back.'

But then again, if some one told me to disavow Jesus Christ as my Savior with physical threats, they'd have to 'make me!' (if they could!)

 

What is spiritual wisdom?
Where does one get it?
Is it akin to supernatural powers?

 

It is nice to see a post with at least some balance... saves me the trouble in pointing out that many Christians do the aforementioned.

Personally I reject the notion that "The more Godless America becomes, the more 'uncivil' it also becomes ". The reason being is that there are many people on the earth that worship no theology and yet are fine examples of civility. On the other hand there are many people that believe in God but their actions speak contrary to their declared faith.

In the old days people kept their vices hidden in the closet because to act "uncivilized" in public would lead to being shunned. During the Prohibition of 1920 to 1933... some of the so called "civilized" men who passed the law of prohibition spent their evenings imbibing the vary substance that they themselves voted to outlaw. Why? Perhaps because it is more important to "appear" moral than to "be" moral.

Immorality has just come out of the closet rather then being hidden behind a facade of morality and civility. But I also have to point out that views of civility and morality are subjective.

 

Those who outwardly appear 'moral' and claim to be Christians (which to me means 'following the words' of Christ) but do not 'behind the scenes, fall into those mentioned in these 2 scriptures per the words of Christ:

Matthew 6:1
Pay attention in your charity giving, that you do it not in front of people so that you may be seen by them, otherwise there is no reward for you with your Father in Heaven.

Matthew 6:2
So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full

Civility also, shudnt be seeking one's own will (irregardless of others) but respecting the benefit of the all as in the community. That's why I consider public profanity an abuse of free speech, sorta like 2nd hand smoke..

 

I grew up with an uncle who got into 'religion' and eventually became a 'deacon.' In fact that was his bros nickname for him. But he 'bought his way in as a big financier of his church! He even had an altar built in his basement for family Communions, etc.

But when he got mad, I still remember the most 'disrespectful' :& exaggerated "Geeeeeeesus Keeeeeerist" coming out of his mouth.....but he must have figured that he got God on a 'technicality' for not adding a 'damn' or anything to it!!

But in fact, 'vain' as used in "taking the Lord's name in vain" means per the dictionary "to use w/o meaning or frivolously."..

 

Why do you want religion infused into public education?

 

I'm by no means in support of a theocracy, but a reverence to the founding principles of our country and respecting our founding fathers (something like 2/3's ? were preachers/deacons in their churches) intentions, public schools had for most of the history of the US, pledging allegiance and saying the Lord's Prayer every morning. Both of those showed respect to our country & our heritage of "who we were" and "where we came from"

Removing prayer 40+ yrs ago has bred disrespect in our schools, moral relativism, secular values clarification, etc....NOT representative of our heritage!

I would have no problem with vouchers for private schools and not having to pay "twice" to have Christian kids get the type of education they, & more importantly, their parents want for them.....right now, Christian home schooling is producing some top-notch college grads & productive citizens!

 

So are our public schools.

 

Dont have the %'s, but last I heard it's like night & day with the graduation rates and SAT scores...

And I havnt heard of any 'Christian home schoolers' out mass killing ...

Home School vs Public School Statistics
September 28, 2011 By Chris Shaw 15 Comments

A look at home school vs public school statistics will open your thoughts to the horror of what is going on with the falling down of the present systems set in place to educate our students! NBC has brought to the nation the state of sadness with our educational system the program titled “Education Nation” is trying to address the problem. Our students are young adults trying to figure out where it is that they will go in life. Trying to figure out how to get there and what they will need to achieve their goals! They are not stupid, just undereducated!

The statistics on the difference between home school students and their public counter parts are revealing! According to Home School Legal Defense Association home school students out ranked public school students on their SAT scores in every area tested! The gap widen as the grade level of the students increased. If you want to stay up at night and worry take a few hours and read the government report recently published by the Institute for Education Statistics this publication is available for anyone who is interested in the statistical data about education today.
http://homeschoolvspublicschool.com/home-school-vs-public-school-statistics/

 

you say your not for a theocracy, but all for having the government forcing American children to say "the lords prayer" every morning?

how about if some want that, they make them say it at the breakfast table before they leave for school? is that too hard for them? do whey really need the government to do it for them?


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Calm down...as a Catholic youth, 'we' couldnt say the last part "For thine is the kingdom, the power, and the glory for ever", (altho there are 2 versions of it in the Gospels), and the Jews didnt have to say it as there was no 'force." Just the leading of the teacher...pretty horrendous, huh?! Of course then we never heard of atheists, as being 'religious' was the same as being "an American"...it was understood!

But also we didnt have any Colmbines or high drop-out rates either..

 

was that during segregation?

 

The mil dependent schools werent! My best friend as a Little League pitcher was my black catcher whose name was Elsie' (nickname for Elston). But only "I" could call him that...

Altho I did wait for a bus once in a Mississippi Greyhound station sitting next to my black friend in the "Colored" section..

Both the mil environment and religion brought commonality to the races b4 the Civil Rights movement.

 

I think everyone also figured that being american also meant being white. Well, not everyone.

I married into a catholic family btw.

 

You do know that those godless Chinese in Hong Kong have a considerably higher average IQ and scholastic achievement level than in the USA..

 

Both Matthew Murray in Colorado (spree killer) and the murderer of all those Amish children were Christian home schooled.

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The church is one of the most segregated institutions in America. It is not declared or mandated, but it is unquestionably two separate worlds. Christianity Today did a great piece on it a couple of years ago.

 

Mostly true, altho the military was quickly adding blacks as that was an equalizer (promotion based on performance) for the races.

And Hispanics were few unless native born..no doubt we have a different demographic..dont remember every seeing a Muslim in the states, altho I spent a year in Tripoli, Libya as a little kid when my dad was stationed there. They treated us pretty well, altho if you were downtown in the afternoon during one of their street market fights, you could get knifed as collateral damage.

What do we have now for religions in the US, 200? And providing linguists for all (think CA is now requesting 12,000 'Navigators' for Obamacare), the melting pot is no longer, and respecting everybody's rights has become 'impossible!' It will further separate us and ultimately bankrupt us...

 

The only segregated churches i see these days are 'location' orientated or Black churches by their choice. Most inter/non-denom churches I've been to (Joel Osteen's fathers (John) in Lakewood, TD Jakes the Potter's House, both in TX, etc...too many to name...have had ppl of all colors..methinks you were part of the 'wrong' denomination

Here's the Huntsville (AL!) Church of Christ



There are many more like this our there....sincere Christians dont see color! I've personally been to many mixed churches.....

 

So you want me to explain "1" home schooled kid with problems out of the millions who have been home schooled...believe that's called 'grasping for straws' in a feeble argument...I'm "Disappointed" in you, bruce!