The real cancer

You got lost due to you trying to put words into my writing that were not there.

My previous statement: "Originally Posted by Incorporeal View Post
1-567-448-5763 or for easy reference on the number (Lord Help Me).

He is all knowing but apparently you are not,,,, Your absence of an all knowing condition is evident in the number of questions you ask about Him and His Word (the Bible)."

You had asked for a means of contacting God. I provided a phone number (in jest). I then continued to agree that God is all knowing, but then I went no further on that subject, neither agreeing or disagreeing with either side of the discussion you were holding, other than to say what I said. What I said did not include any statements of agreement other than what I posted. Quit being presumptuous.

 

As indicated in your suggestion.... I agree with that/those statements contained above.

 

I'm pretty the words were there there:

Emphasis mine.

 

Yes, I made that statement, but you are not showing where I agreed to any other part of the conversation. Show where I agreed to anything else. But thank you for repeating what I said, as I also did in my last posting and also gave explanation in that last posting. You are not reading what I write. You are again falling upon presumption... presumptions that I said something that I did not say. Read that last post where I gave explanation.

 

The funny thing about religion is that there are a lot of them.

How do you pick one? They all have equal evidence for their belief structures -- which is to say, none.

 

If you are convinced that all religions have 'none' value, then why would you want to know which one to pick?

 

So by turning a blind eye to something, does that mean God doesn't know what happened while he turned a blind eye to it?

If so then, yes, it could make sense to inform him of it. But then God is not omniscient, though.

If God does know then it makes no sense to inform him of it.

As you may have noticed, this changed nothing and I'm still at a loss of what you two are trying to claim.

 

You're welcome. If I may thank you in turn for retracting your accusation of me putting words into your writings.

 

Nope! Do you really think that God is so stupid as to not put in place other beings that do His bidding for Him... such as angels that deliver messages and give reports back to Him on the world situation and the situation of various individuals? Remember the story of Job, how Satan himself went before God complaining about how God had a hedge built around Job and how that hedge was interfering with Satans ability to do his work. So, just because God does not desire to look upon the sins of the world does not mean that He is unaware of those sins.

It makes you wonder don't it? Ever hear of Karma? How about instant retribution? By the standards established by God, did you do any wrong today? If you did, are you ready to receive Gods retribution or for God to set up some facility whereby you can receive Karmic retribution? You see, God knows your very thoughts, so He don't have to watch something that you are about to do... He already knows. Remember... free will, predestination, omniscience, omnipotence, etc..

For you it would make no sense, because you do not worship God. But for those that do worship God, our letting Him know about it is akin to a child out on his/her first bike ride.. Dad sitting on the porch watching every move of the child and the child hollers out... "look dad, no hands"... Dad loves to have the recognition of his children, even though Dad knew in advance that the child would perform that little act.

I cannot speak for anyone else on this little green orb, but as for me, I make no claims. I speak truth. Truth is not a claim.

 

Lets just say that I agreed in the part to which I explained. Your other wording suggesting that I might be in agreement or disagreement with any other part is erroneous.

 

Oh that is just absurd .. There folks who have absolute trust in God that get terribly sick all the time.

What a horrible thing you say. You think that if someone gets sick they should take it as their faith is not strong enough ?

This is one step away from the old beliefs that when ever something bad happened it was God punishing the people.

This of course lead to more than one witch burning.

Holy balonie batman.

 

There are people WHO SAY they have absolute trust in God that get terribly sick, but it is only God that knows the truth of what those people declare.
"Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. "

So, you see, that your assertion about people who declare to put absolute trust in God and still get terribly sick, really means nothing when you look upon the situation according to the Word of God.

Conceivably, their sickness could be construed that way, or it could be construed as a way of testing their 'faith'.

That is your interpretation, and as you have seen above, there are alternative answers to that situation. I am not the one who makes those decisions as to whether or not someone gets sick or for what reasons they get sick. BTW: If you are a non-theist, why would it bother you with regard to what belief a person holds, as long as that belief is not harming you or your property?

Perhaps. But considering that you were not there to witness such things, then you can only judge by what you read, and what you read, may not be representative of the TRUTH.

If I were to obtain some 'holy baloney', I might be suspicious that the bats or their master 'batman' might have been chewing upon that baloney. BTW: Are you now leaning toward comic book stories?

 

Ok, that's a good point. You're saying that I should let BFOJ's god know what it already knows just so that this god can feel good about itself?

That's the best answer yet even though you're right that it makes no sense at all.

 

Isn't it though? Terrible, terrible way to think.

 

Nice wiggling and twisting. No, you should not attempt to "let BFOJ's god know what BFOJ's God already knows." What would be your point in attempting to tell an Omniscient being something. Are you presuming that you can educate that Omniscient being? Though it would be amusing to see you talking to an entity that you cannot see, and also one that you may or may not believe to exist, especially when there is a high probability that you would feign the exercise as a means of attempting to mock God. At that point, the mockery would fall back on you, for talking to what (in the opinion of some non-theists) is a myth, fairy tale, magical sky creature... you would be making a mockery of your own standing as a non-theist.

You admit that I am 'right' and then you say "it makes no sense at all". Are you accustomed to agreeing with things that don't make sense at all?

 

He uses kneemail. I suppose you don't have that an account for that form of communications.

 

Should attempt to let a god know, make a mockery of gods or of my own standing, amusing to see me talk to a magical sky creature, well, I'm sure you enjoy writing stuff like that but I find all of it to be irrelevant, Incorporeal. The question is still if it makes sense to inform an omniscient being of something.

You were close to making sense with your answer before. I'll give you that. For people who believe in having reciprocal relationships with entities controlling their destinies it does make sense, psychologically speaking. But beyond that it of course makes no sense at all. Omniscient beings would not need to be let anything known to them, per definition.

 

It's not a matter of picking one. One will be drawn to one or none. And they all don't have equal evidence for their belief. Quite the contrary.

For Christians it's not about a religion (or it shouldn't be), it's about a relationship with Jesus.

Most religions are about self, a god or gods. None of the 'ism' religions have One who said they were God and willingly died for man's sin. Then again, many religions don't accept the concept of sin. We know who our God is, most religions don't.

 

I would disagree with RA and IC on the matter of God not knowing everything in the temporal realm. Why would this have anything to do with Free Will?

 

There are biblical reasons why one would inform God, not that He doesn't know but those reasons are still valid. However, in my case I do not inform God of anything instead since He has already given the Christian everything they will ever need. Instead I praise Him, then I just take the power and authority He has promised us, do whatever action that is needed to deal with what comes before me (e.g., healing, moving mountains, standing against evil...), then I thank Him no matter how it turns out. Joy and Peace in all circumstances is the result. Praise God!!!

 

Can you disclose such a reason for me? Not in a long proselytizing way, please, but as short and concise as possible.

 

It's a Calvinist notion that if God is omniscient, he must therefore control everything. Man's "free will" in their mind is an agent of predestination. They insist that man has free will but with their theology gut the very meaning of it.

 

In both Genesis and John it speaks to God's Creations. I believe He created nothing after that, but at the same time He oversees and cares about the happenings on earth. It holds a special emphasis and love for Him of all the Universe. The reason He created man/woman, the reason this planet exists with all the trimmings, so to speak. He does actively involve Himself in the affairs of humanity, no matter how small or how large. He doesn't interfere though as He allows us Free Will and with this we have the responsibility for our actions and repecussions be they good or bad. He lives by no timeline so He knows and sees everything from beginning to end, He knows each of us before we were even in the womb, He breathes life into us, He loves and cares for His creation. He knows the choices we will have, the choices we will make and this in way no impacts our Free Will.

My thought about all this sickness, injuries, birth defects, mental illness, negative things in one's life, even natural disasters, etc. are the result of sin.
I shall explain. First of all understand I accept a literal intrepretation of the Bible taking into consideration the parables of Jesus and other instances of parables throughout. I believe in the Genesis account of creation and Adam and Eve. With this in mind, I accept that prior to original sin the Garden of Eden where the first humans existed was perfection in any and all ways. No bad, only good. After sin the world was no longer perfect in any way.

The corruption of genes began and has snowballed in a negative way each generation in every aspect of human life and among all other resources on this earth, be it plant, animal, mineral, what have you.

For me this explains all the problems on this here earth. Each generation continues to sin, mutations of genes results and it goes on and on and today we experience the result of those centuries of imperfection. Science is somewhat successful in that we have learned so much and have adapted to the changes, making discoveries, creating tools and the like to help us deal with what befalls us and we have so much more to learn, but we will never master what the Master has known from the beginning.

For me this explains so much in the matters I wrote of earlier (birth defects, mental defects, tragedies, etc.) Yes, I will even accept that homosexuals in many cases are born that way, but not by God's design or creation but by genetic defects man himself has perpertrated through sin. Though I would still concur that many became homosexuals through cultural influence, abuse, fear, peer pressure and other reasons.

In conclusion, I do not believe God is the cause of anything negative in our life, evil, nor is He punishing people or countries. The ownership of this belongs to sinful man, man's degenerating life and lifestyle and yes, satan and demonic forces.

You can think me mad or whatever, but that's my story.

 

How about a quick link? This will meet your qualifiers.

http://christianity.about.com/od/prayersverses/a/basicstoprayer.htm

 

I concur and don't accept the Calvinist view.