The virus is not a killer

Democrats want to do similar lockdowns when they get back in power for the "climate emergency".

 

Never rely on a youtube video to explain a conspiracy theory.

And there is plenty of data related to the number of deaths in an area compared to the average for that time of the year. Nearly everyone shows that the number of deaths faaaar exceed the covid-linked deaths and absolutely crush the average for that region and time of the year.

 

Oh I definitely and obviously care about whether my mother lives or dies and whether people are willing to engage in risky behavior out of some misplaced idiotic belief that it will help the economy or the country.

I just do not give a flying **** if you or anyone else believes that belief system is selfish.

 

Probably the worst straw man I've ever seen around here. Can't you up your game a little? No one wants your mother to die.

 

Of course you don't. Selfish people never do.

 

On the contrary, countries with very low incidences of community transmission will be 'safer' during the lead up to better treatment protocols and vaccine. If it doesn't exist in the community, or barely, then that wait of 12 months will be less economically problematic, no matter how you look at it. And remember, immunity via infection is only value adding in those in optimal health (no excess weight, no smoking, no drinking, no high cholesterol, no high blood pressure, no cancer, no asthma, no diabetes or insulin resistance, no sedentary lifestyle, no poor lung capacity due to lack of fitness, etc etc). In places like America and the UK, that's only 60% of the population at best - which puts healthcare systems at high risk of collapse, and makes fast economic recovery almost impossible.

 

One thing to remember is that we don't have the best numbers yet. There are vast numbers of people who got it but didn't show or had a minor reaction .. and many people with stronger reaction who could not get tested -

This will make the death ratio artificially low - meaning more lethal than it is in realty.

 

This thread reminds me of post WWII Germany, where Germans were FORCED to tour the death camps because they simply refused to believe the camps existed. Essentially the camps were labeled a media hoax.

Today the reaction from the right would be something like: 6 million jews died? Hell, they would have died anyway...

 

Those facts do not include, x number of US residents died in March to May 2018. X number of US residents died March to May 2020. I'm doing some hunting around but not finding it yet.

Example https://www.indexmundi.com/clocks/indicator/deaths/united-states Not helpful yet.

I don't give the youtube video too much credence but the one I posted has the same message that I'd read only that one was regarding Italy. I can believe what you write about the numbers I am looking for but have not yet found it. If they are there, those numbers should be getting shouted from the rooftops yet I'm having trouble finding them. Do you have any links for what I'm looking for? As noted above: x number of US residents died in March to May 2018. X number of US residents died March to May 2020. Thank you for your consideration.

 

How many people have died from the disease? And compare that to the entire flu season.

 

The notion that Climate Change is caused by humanity is a leftist generated hoax. The notion that the natural ebb and flow of Climate Change can be altered by humanity is a leftist con.

 

Yeah, which sorta proves once again that Trump is Hitler, amirite?

The obvious difference -- one, anyway -- is that Hitler wanted all Jews in the camps, and for none to emerge alive.

 

So, what you are saying, is that all the world's leadership and all the world's leading pandemic experts got together to destroy the world's economy?

 

We do not scientifically know this to be a fact. We know 40,000 have been recorded but do not know if "pandemic controls" has kept the number down. Correlation does not equal causation.

 

Only the leftists who hate capitalism anyway.

 

I truly am looking for something much simpler. Something that reads x number of US residents in place A died March 2018 to May 2018 compared to March 2020 to May 2020 in that same region. Will the numbers be similar or not? From this thread, those that believe there to be a crisis, that number should be quite higher in 2020 due to the pandemic. If that is so, I'd be shouting this from the rooftops. Instead, our legacy media simply is not following up their headlines "HUGE amounts of death due to Corona Virus" with this kind of information. Not that this is so, but say they write 40,000 US dead from virus!!!! But the total dead March to May 2018 in NYC was still 50,000 and the total in 2020 is 50,001... is this a crisis? Is the lock down averting a worse crisis? These seem like such common sense things to discuss yet I'm having a bear of a time finding true numbers. Conspiracy or not, it's coming across like the dog that did not bark.

 

All but 3 or 4 countries are in lock down. They are all American hating leftists? Everyone in China, Russia, Japan, UK, Germany, Italy, Spain, India, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, etc., are in Pelosi's back pocket? You believe this? You should hang out in the conspiracy forum, because this one is way, way, WAY out there.

 

Does this work?

https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/not-like-the-flu-not-like-car-crashes-not-like

 

NOOOOOOOOOOO, they are NOT counting them as covid dead, BECAUSE Trump didn't want them counted. Thus, no testing. SCAM by president. Then, you add, that he was going to claim HEEEEEEEEEEEE saved them all, with his supermagic drug. This is ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL about Trump, and his reelection.

 

So I know of this example off the top of my head, involving Italy:

https://towardsdatascience.com/covid-19-excess-mortality-figures-in-italy-d9640f411691

It marks several counties (or whatever is their equivalent) based on the percentage increase for deaths from 2019 to 2020 in that particular region. You can see that the number of raw deaths increased by over 100%, some by more than 200%, for the same relevant time frame for many of those counties.

And I know that I had heard about a similar analysis for New York recently, but I'll see if I can track it down.

 

Literally every relevant expert in the field disagrees with you.

 

Gasp! You mean those 'researchers' handsomely PAID to argue that Climate Change is man made? Go figure.

 

From your link, assuming this accurate, is much easier to understand and closer than what I am asking about:

If accurate, this is what the news should be shouting from the rooftops.

"the number of weekly Covid-19 deaths in New York is now larger than the typical number of weekly deaths from all causes" combined, "in fact, 76 percent more than the average number who die in a week from all causes combined.".

I have to wonder why this is not the top statement. Saying, "X number of people died" begs the question: "compared to what". This is what.

 

No, you make sure everything is about Trump. If that is really what Trump wants, then he's playing you like a harp.

 

No, I mean literally every single scientist who studies any aspect of the weather and climate. None are paid to argue that climate change is man made.