The virus is not a killer

Ask your aged grandmother if she is willing to bequeath a Great Depression on her grandchildren just to live a few more years.

 

~ Yes it does indeed appear that Wuhan virus is much less dangerous than N1H1 - but more contagious.
Seems each virus from China is a little surprise - each one different than before. Could this be a test for the "real thing"... ? ´

- MADE IN CHINA -​

 

My mother and she would rather be alive.

Shocking, I know.

 

The is ass backwards.

The h1n1 was objectively much, much less lethal, but is much, much more contagious.

 

I am never shocked by selfishness. Dismayed, perhaps, but never shocked.

 

´ ~ Well something is a ass backwards - depending on your information.

 

Here are the REAL risk factors, and many are not 'major':

Overweight (even modestly - obesity and morbid obesity are worse)
Insulin resistance
Diabetes
Smoking
Drinking
Sedentary lifestyle
Unfit
High cholesterol
High blood pressure
Bad diet
Asthma
Emphysema
Cancer
Kidney problems
Cardiovascular disease

There are HUGE numbers of people under the age of 65 walking around with one or several of these factors. And a huge proportion of those are un-diagnosed, and/or are unaware of their danger.

 

And they're NOT counting deaths which are COVID 19. Especially in hotspots .. where services are under huge pressure. People with pre-existing conditions dying alone at home, have not been tested up until very recently.

 

Apparently a vast number of leftist grandparents would prefer to live at the entire future and lifestyle of their grandchildren . . . that is, from what some of them are replying in this thread. I simply cannot imagine being that root-core selfish.

 

Indeed. Selfishness is a core part of human nature. It's just that some people manage to rise above that during a time of crisis. Some, however, seem to simply double-down.

 

I'm in Australia, where there is a very small number of cases compared to America .. and I know two people who picked it up in, or on way home from, Europe - right at the beginning of the pandemic.

 

https://www.thenewatlantis.com/imgLib/20200421_CovidweeklydeathsUSthroughApril19.jpg

 

I am of the demographic most likely to die from this virus. But it is easy for me to self isolate and have been doing so since late Feb. My children and grandchildren are in pretty good shape, too. They can and do work from home.

But I see the pictures of people lining up for miles for food and I wonder how long so many can survive without working.

I am not indifferent to death; I enjoy my life and have projects and hobbies that I want to continue. I'd like to see my grandchildren grow up and I'd like to think there are one or two nuggets of wisdom I might impart. But I've completed the major goals of career and family of life as best I could. I want to give my children and every other child a good life. I don't want to rob them of that life just so I can potter around in the garden a few more years.

 

What worries me is a lack of follow up questions and analysis. I'm hearing from multiple sources that if you are dying of a thing, say, gun shot wounds, but you also have Covid, when you bleed out, you are counted as having died from the virus. We hear of a number of dead from it. We don't hear how many died in a place during a period of time, and compared to the number in the same place last year. We don't know the real numbers.

 

Don't listen to conspiracy theorists. That's not how it works. CDC is going through every death certificate and adjusting the counts when they find issues. They are lagging by about two weeks. You can't just write "COVID," on a death certificate. That's not how it works. Feel free to look at the facts. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

 

That's one way of approaching it (and it has merit, in any other situation). The problem is that if you send your children and grandchildren out now, things will almost certainly get far worse than they are now. That robs them of a future even more comprehensively.

 

How do you figure that? Sweden claims, and seems to be, doing OK without lockdowns.

 

Are you trying to say trend line?

On edit, okay that was mean. Sorry. But yes, when you were a pup and Excel didn't exist, I drew a few. But I am surprised anyone can see drops of tens of 20 percent and then increases of 20 percent, every year for 10 years, and try to call that "flat".
Or that they would need a computer to tell them what is obvious.

 

Sweden has one of the highest death rates in the world. It's a disaster there. The Govt is already saying they didn't do enough.

A word of advice .. if you're looking for success stories, you need to find the successes and work back from there. You're approaching this the wrong way around. You're looking for tactics you prefer, then trying to find one with results that are vaguely okay. Look for the nations which were hit at the same time as Italy, UK, US etc .. but who have successfully reduced the infection growth rate to below 1%. Look at what they did to achieve that, and there's your solution for ensuring your kids/grandkids a future. Those nations will be back in business well before the US/UK etc.

 

Sweden has a death rate of 173 per million, slightly higher than the US of 139 per million and better than seven other European countries.

And they will be back out of business next fall when the virus comes back with less herd immunity than those who suffered worse the first time.

I don't think this virus will be eradicated through quarantines and have recently read some pessimistic reports about the possibility of a vaccine. Covid19 will become endemic and we will just have to live (or die) with the fact.

 

**** that ****. I don't give a flying **** if you think my mother is being selfish for wanting to live longer nor do I give a flying **** if you think I am selfish because I want my mother to live longer.

 

I am curious if it has occurred to you that there is a disconnect between this notion of self-sacrifice in order to preserve and better the future generations when it comes to your life and covid, but an unwillingness to engage in that exact same sacrifice to preserve and better the future generations when it comes to climate change.

 

Tell your mom to shelter in place, wear a mask and gloves, and only go out for essentials like lotto tickets. The virus is everywhere. Be afraid.

 

Whole thing is a leftist power grab at nothing more

 

Well, you sure seem emotional about something you don't give a flying whatever about.

But look, we can't make policy based on individual hard cases. I'm guessing your mother is elderly. I doubt that anyone here does not want her to live a long life or would force her to not practice social distancing or even to quarantine.