This description seems representative: Toxic masculinity appears in many different forms. A few examples include telling boys to “man up” when they feel upset or justifying abusive and inappropriate behavior with the phrase “boys will be boys.” Toxic masculinity can be defined as “the need to aggressively compete and dominate others and encompasses the most problematic proclivities in men. These same male proclivities foster resistance to psychotherapy.” I am a conservative white southern male, and so I should groan, and I do in fact groan at the woke and sexist modernity of this categorization, but I also do believe in toxic masculinity, or at least masculinity run amok. It annoys and sometimes embarrasses me. A harmless example is the guys with their shirts off at football games and "RAIDERS" painted on their chests in sequenced characters. They're screaming "hoo ra!!!" and jabbing their fingers at the camera while making berserk Viking faces. A much worse example is the rats riding around in cars at midnight, all armed to the teeth, listening to melody-less hip hop and looking for someone to shoot. Be honest: do women do this kind of thing? Ever? Toxic masculinity is the explanation for the disproproportion of males in prisons, everywhere in the world. How nervous do you get when three strange women are following you on a dark street? What about three strange men? The problem is that the only way to fight toxic masculinity is with greater and lethal masculinity. We call on men to fight wars. Women want a strong "person" in their homes willing to use violence to protect their homes and kids and themselves from intruders. Those "persons" are men, armed with weapons. It's a dilemma.
Just as with males, there can be 'toxic femineity'. Usually referred to as B*****s. The male version is A******s. They have always existed. They will always exist. While I am no proponent of violence, some people will not change without a total comeuppance either physical or verbal. It spans the full spectrum of race, color, gender and age. You've got better things to worry about.
Women tend to find weaker targets. When I was a kid I had one step mother break my right forearm in her grip and another cut me while using a wire coat hanger to beat my bare ass black and blue all marbled together, and some mfer is worried about me being toxic? ??
Has anyone ever considered that to call a man toxic it might be to emasculate men. Men have been raised throughout history to fight battles and win battles, to be the protectors of their families, to be breadwinners, geniuses, inventors, astronauts, explorers, doctors, engineers, priests and warriors. The label toxic masculinity seems to encompass all men. Let the woke generation take that term but leave the rest of the men alone.
This isn't toxic masculinity. It's trading boys how to live in the world they will grow up to be men not women or older boys. Men have to man up. Boys will be boys is not justifying abusive behavior it's explaining that boys have a certain behavior that they engage in that's largely fundamentally different than girls or adult men. I could possibly care less if people did this I don't know why anybody would care. It's a little silly but then again I think watching sports in general is. that I would say is toxic behavior we as a species have less of a tendency to punish women quite the way we do bit but that's neither here nor there. Bidor much more likely to be involved in violent crime than women. I think that's just because meant to be less agreeable you can't change that. Women are the predominant dictators of what masculinity is. The reason why you tell a boy not to cry or man up it's because women don't like cry baby men. You have to learn that stuff Young. Weak submissive boys get picked on tournamented and abused. Boys are treated differently because that's what society demands. I think one of the reasons why we see men involving themselves in more criminal behavior is because they don't have a father in their life setting an example of how to be masculine without being violent so they just do what they can to try and fit that mold. If women all the sudden decided they would be attracted to more sensitive men and less dominant men masculinity would change in an instant. But women by a large don't want that out of men
I wouldn't say toxic behavior is connected to masculinity or femininity. Femininity is what men want out of women. It's not toxic it's good. And vice versa masculinity is what women want out of men. It's the connection of certain behaviors to femininity/masculinity that I think is the problem. Kids the people who talk about toxic masculinity because somebody really talks about toxic femininity, are feminists. Infamous largely strike me as bitter unhappy people and they would have laid the whole rest of the world for their bitterness. Absolutely agree
When I hear the term used it's specifically used when a man doesn't act, react, or respond like a woman wants him to. The most recent way I've heard it used is in a discussion about mid night being interested in dating women that have slept around a lot. That's not toxic masculinity that's a preference. I think it's just a way to be beyond reproach. To try and never have your viewpoints questioned it's like calling someone a racist or xenophobia homophobic for saying things. It's just an effort to shave you into not responding or control or dominate the conversation.
The label is specifically designed to target all males regardless of their beliefs. It is a very wrong terminology just like the term a Karen.
I think there is a mistaken understanding of the term "toxic masculinity". If any of you saw the film The Power of the Dog you will see what it really means. Masculinity isn't just being tough, although that is what it has boiled down to in modern times. It also meant being courteous , considerate, polite. Nor belittle, take psychological advantage of, totally dominate and control women. The "protect" part has disappeared. And probably because women don't need "physical " protection anymore, that leaves men with just the harder, less obvious part...treating women with respect. Equals but different. Which is toxic masculinity. Watch the film if you are curious about what it is. As well as the brilliant Dominic Cumberbatch.
I saw it and my take away was: The soliloquy looking at the mountain was simply a metaphor for “Life can be what you imagine it can be, Sweety”. So the opportunist gay guy was seeking to seduce the younger feminine young man who eventually murdered him with anthrax. A perfect crime so to speak.
So you completely missed the main point, his treatment of his brothers wife as a way of hiding his own failure with women because he couldn't admit he was gay. His brother was actually the better man who was more empathetic and because he wasn't conflicted, could care emotionally for his wife.
What on earth got you pondering this on Christmas? Bizarre coincidence that this thread popped up in new posts here this morning as I decided to spend a few minutes here at PF. Day before yesterday an impromptu discussion broke out at work that started out along the lines of there's gotta be a better way to make a living sort of stuff. This led to folks making not just a living, but damn good money from publishing YT videos. Which eventually ended up with me wanting to check out the entertainment value of YT vids by Kevin Samuels, Andrew Tate and Zoom to Thailand. So far I've managed to watch about maybe 4 ~20m vids by this guy Kevin Samuels. Basically he and Tate apparently publish stuff on YT that are less than complementary about about the opposite sex and I'm not quite sure what the content is on Zoom to Thailand yet. Here's a link to one of his videos that I found somewhat eye-opening regarding this particular woman's outlook on finding a husband, . Now, as it turns out, I've never been particularly inclined to delve into anyone's psychological underpinnings, which leads me to quote the great Larry Blackmon, If there's music we can use it We need to dance. We don't have that time For psychological romance Hahaha, oooof! I digress yet again! Anyway, this particular video has lots of interesting stuff going on: if you're into that sort of stuff as even being a candidate for being interesting. Particularly I noticed the second comment on the YT page seemed an apt observation of this chick's state of mind: "She went from 'I don't want kids' selfish to 'I want kids to take care of me and so I don't die alone' selfish. She's a wreck." *** Dilemma, yes, indeed. It's an ancient topic of discussion.
Have to say, the film is possibly one of the most ridiculous over exaggerations of real life I might have ever seen. I really wish I could get a refund for the time I lost.... I suspect that if your were part of the super toxic feminist clan, that these fantastical images justify the boiling rage and hate that permeates so much of feminism these days. A couple of things to remember here. People are strong. They have a will to live and survive. And sometimes, there is conflict. Is toxic feminism had its way, it seems, to me, that those feminists would advocate that men just simply not exist. And isn't that vastly worse for the world? More, it seems petty and shortsighted, unless the ultimate goal of the feminists is to eradicate the species... I'd say women assume they don't need protection, because the modern world pretty much simply leaves them alone. Of course, this isn't the case for so many women around the globe. I'd suggest a trip to the middle east, or Asia. Get a real perspective.
As far apart as our view is, I would say impressions from the movie can be as varied as those formed by looking at a mountain range and seeing animals, or looking at a rug when you are sitting on the can and seeing faces.
When feminists use words like phallogocentric to describe their victimhood, there is no ability to reason with that. The fundamental precept here is that the view, from the feminist perspective is eradication of then that phallogocentric paradigm. How is that supposed to be accomplished? Do you have a response to that?
Well, anyone who doesn't think toxic masculinity is a real thing apparently has never seen Andrew Tate and the army of incels he milks for money.
The rest of who? Do you think Andrew Tate's version of masculinity is something that deserves respect? because i think it's pathetic.
If you think that toxic masculinity encompasses all men, then you don't know how adjectives work. Does the word cheeseburger encompass all burgers having cheese?
I'm not sure if you caught the irony here. But toxic masculinity is a problem because of people who define their masculinity in ways that are toxic.
