Toxic masculinity

Discussion in 'Member Casual Chat' started by Le Chef, Dec 25, 2022.

  1. Le Chef

    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

    Joined:
    May 31, 2015
    Messages:
    10,688
    Likes Received:
    3,816
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't know, I'd say that all cheeseburgers have cheese, yes.

    I personally never had a burger with cheese that wasn't a cheeseburger. I guess they exist. If you made a burger with a cheese infused bun, that would "involve" cheese but not be a cheeseburger.
     
  2. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2010
    Messages:
    57,316
    Likes Received:
    31,391
    Trophy Points:
    113
    All cheeseburgers have cheese. But the word "cheeseburgers" does not imply that all burgers have cheese. Same with "toxic masculinity" and masculinity.

    People who claim that "toxic masculinity" maligns all masculinity do not know how adjectives work.

    "Tall Swede" does not mean that all Swedes are tall.
    "Wrecked car" does not mean that all cars are wrecked.
    "Unemployed veteran" does not mean that all veterans are unemployed.
    "Toxic masculinity" does not mean that all masculinity is toxic.
    "Cheeseburger" does not mean that all burgers have cheese.
     
  3. Pixie

    Pixie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2021
    Messages:
    7,224
    Likes Received:
    2,408
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    No because I have no idea what you are talking about.
    This thread is about toxic masculinity.
    Real men care and protect women at all levels. Including their emotional needs.
    It really is that simple.
     
    Grau likes this.
  4. SiNNiK

    SiNNiK Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2014
    Messages:
    10,432
    Likes Received:
    4,547
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The rest of mankind.
     
  5. WhoDatPhan78

    WhoDatPhan78 Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2021
    Messages:
    8,497
    Likes Received:
    5,065
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Do you think I invented the term toxic masculinity, and that every time your heard someone use it, that it was just me pretending to be someone else?

    Why won’t you say what you think about Andrew Tate?

    Do you admire Andrew Tate?
     
  6. SiNNiK

    SiNNiK Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2014
    Messages:
    10,432
    Likes Received:
    4,547
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    He's a bit brash for my taste, wouldn't hang out with the guy. But I have listened to what he says on occasion and he is not wrong.
     
  7. Pixie

    Pixie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2021
    Messages:
    7,224
    Likes Received:
    2,408
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Not wrong about what exactly?
     
  8. WhoDatPhan78

    WhoDatPhan78 Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2021
    Messages:
    8,497
    Likes Received:
    5,065
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I figured. Sorry for wasting my time.
     
  9. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2015
    Messages:
    9,066
    Likes Received:
    4,237
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    I'm sorry that you had to go through such blatant abuse as a kid.

    My two younger brothers and I got our share of well deserved spankings for things like blowing up "tree houses", burning down the woodpile, target shooting in the basement, throwing spears in the house, putting M-80s in snowballs, shooting flashlight batteries out of home made cannons at each other and the list goes on and on.

    Our poor parents used various belts, switches and paddles with little effect as we went on to wreck so many cars and motorcycles that poor, old dad went on to buy an auto-body repair shop just to keep up with the destruction.

    And people wonder why I don't have children...
     
    Collateral Damage and SiNNiK like this.
  10. Le Chef

    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

    Joined:
    May 31, 2015
    Messages:
    10,688
    Likes Received:
    3,816
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It sounds like you had a helluva a lot of fun.
     
    Grau likes this.
  11. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2015
    Messages:
    9,066
    Likes Received:
    4,237
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Yes, now I can see why there were some days when dear old dad just didn't feel like getting out of bed...

    Thanks,
     
  12. daisydotell

    daisydotell Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2009
    Messages:
    15,949
    Likes Received:
    6,514
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What would you call a burger with cheese? Maybe a toxic burger?
     
  13. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2010
    Messages:
    57,316
    Likes Received:
    31,391
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Reading fail.
     
  14. Le Chef

    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

    Joined:
    May 31, 2015
    Messages:
    10,688
    Likes Received:
    3,816
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I would call a burger with mushrooms and Swiss cheese a toxic burger. I have really tried to appreciate them.
     
    Polydectes and SiNNiK like this.
  15. Pieces of Malarkey

    Pieces of Malarkey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2022
    Messages:
    2,606
    Likes Received:
    1,560
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No doubt. They should be rooting for the Lions.

    Toxic masculinity indeed.
     
  16. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,638
    Likes Received:
    18,216
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Toxic behavior isn't connected to masculinity or feminine. These are cultural expectations of men and women.

    Being exuberant about sports isn't connected to masculinity. Wanting to murder someone isn't connected to masculinity.

    I don't think football fans getting excited is any worse or different than those people that dress up like storm troopers or super heros.

    Running around looking to commit murder that's toxic no matter who engages. You wouldn't call it toxic femininity for example what Lisa Marie nowak did even though it was absolutely crazy.
     
  17. SiNNiK

    SiNNiK Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2014
    Messages:
    10,432
    Likes Received:
    4,547
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I heard in England they call that a Royal, with cheese.
     
    Polydectes likes this.
  18. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,638
    Likes Received:
    18,216
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Is the cheese cheddar, swiss, or that disgusting American cheese? Being lactose intolerant I can turn American cheese into toxic waste.


    Lol
     
  19. Pixie

    Pixie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2021
    Messages:
    7,224
    Likes Received:
    2,408
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Those who have been misled by outdated cultural icons might have missed the fact that today's women and girls run as fast and as far from any hint of toxic masculinity as possible.
    We can sniff out the rot at distance.
     
  20. SiNNiK

    SiNNiK Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2014
    Messages:
    10,432
    Likes Received:
    4,547
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Bullshit, weak ass women. Here's some pro runners, women and men.



    Again, weak ass women.



    Women's "sports" is boring.
     
  21. Pixie

    Pixie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2021
    Messages:
    7,224
    Likes Received:
    2,408
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    On the contrary, women don't like toxic masculinity because they don't need or want to be belittled.
    We don't need their silly and insulting bravado.
    They need to catch up with the last 50 years.
     
  22. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2015
    Messages:
    9,066
    Likes Received:
    4,237
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    I can't think of any rational and secure man that takes pleasure in belittling which is a form of detestable bullying.

    Re:
    I'm a blacksmith and you may be surprised at the number of female blacksmiths (1) who work in the hot, dirty and dangerous art of shaping hot steel.
    My wife, on the other hand, works in the corporate world where women are very well represented and, based on what I've seen, able to advance very quickly.

    Please clarify what you meant by: "They need to catch up with the last 50 years."

    Thanks,


    (1) "A FEMALE BLACKSMITH"
    https://orange-traveler.com/en/reportazh/a-female-blacksmith/
     
  23. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,638
    Likes Received:
    18,216
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    First there's no such thing as toxic masculinity to connect it to masculinity is like connecting female toxic behavior to femininity. And I can give you a lot of examples.

    Also women determine what masculinity is. They choose men that they want to be with so in order for men to be chosen they must be a certain way. Women don't like sweethearts if they did most men would be sweethearts. Because they want to be with women.

    If women run away from masculinity because they're being brainwashed into believing that it's toxic then they are running away from heterosexuality.

    I don't understand the desire to connect toxicity with masculinity most child abuse comes from women I don't consider that toxic femininity because I don't think child abuse is connected to femininity.
     
    CCitizen likes this.
  24. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,638
    Likes Received:
    18,216
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Women show what they like by who they choose. We all can see it there is no use in telling us we already know

    Actions speak volumes words that go against them are ignored.
     
  25. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,638
    Likes Received:
    18,216
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    if not come across too many men that think they'd be Little women maybe women feel like they're belittled by various statements.
    I think this is based on the idea that people believe women should be housewives and some people certainly do I know quite a number of people in various walks of life and the most common people I've met that think women should be housewives are women that are housewives. They like doing that job.
    I usually worked with two female diesel mechanics back when I worked as a diesel mechanic. I think the thing I picked up most from them was their sense of humor. But they were just as competent as the next person why wouldn't they be being a woman doesn't mean you can't understand how mechanical things work.
     
    Grau likes this.

Share This Page