He’s a terrible person independent of whether he is guilty of sex trafficking. Anyone amplifying his voice is a terrible person who is also responsible for their own actions.
How are they worse then women who amplify male-bashing? I mean stuff like the video above, or #menaretrash or #killallmen? Should men be held to a higher standard then women?
Oh grow up. Men have treated women as inferior for thousands of years. In many places they still do. And it has only been 150 years in "advanced" countries that women had to be educated by law. One of the things men tend to do is "I can bash you if you bash me", learned in every playground in existence. In the end both sides end up severely damaged if not dead It is the ridiculous gang mentality where the process becomes more important than the outcome. So what if some social media nobodies express dissatisfaction with the way many men still consider women due to nothing other than gender. Be the BIGGER MAN and treat everyone with respect.
What? Shall we say everything men do is to please women. If they didn't need women to procreate men would still be living and tribes as hunter-gatherers. well if we're talking about equality that's what it means. Women are extremely privileged in our society is they can fight punch kick and even stabbing mutilate men and face very little if any criminal charges. How about we engage in some equality and respect is earned. I think women would be very unhappy with that.
Stop using the word gender!!!!!!!!! Happy? Sit. Lets' talk. The word gender is not the issue. The context in which it might be used in conjunction (association) with other words might be. Have a nice day. p.s. you can use the words gonads, testacles, family jewels, marbles, I am ok with all of those terms, just watch how you use the word penal...it could mean more than one thing.. p.s.s. There is a word in the English language in which the first two letters signify a male, the first three letters signify a female, the first four signify a great man, and the whole word, a great woman. What is the word? (no not Donald Trump, heroine)
Seems like toxic masculinity is just dislike of masculinity. Which is odd to me because the only reason these ideas of masculinity are perpetuated is because women don't want a less masculine man. If you open up and express your feelings as a man you're shamed and most often should buy women for it. I've had them tell me straight up that's not manly or you're coming off as feminine. So my question would be about people complaining about toxic masculinity why don't you complain about the people that make that the standard instead of the people adhering to it. Nice guys finish last because they're nice nice isn't manly it's not men that make that the case it's women. If men wanted a nice guy the cliche would be nice guys finish first
If you learn to talk like an adult without the silly images and insults, you'll help elevate the tone of this place. Think you can do that?
Think you can practice what you preach? Are you that unaware of your own behaviour that precipitated my mocking of your words? Here let's try it again and stop playing narcissist victim with the responses. Its tiresome.
Sadly there are plenty of women who run TOWARDS it too. One reason it's so prevalent. Tate can get all the women he wants. The nice guy without money and status, far less so.
Why wouldn't you apply that equally to both men and women? That in itself is sexist. The core problem is societal bias of seeing men as active, capable, responsible agents, and women being seen as passive, less capable and less accountable. That bias hurts both men and women in different ways. If you want equal respect for women and for them to be seen as just as capable, you are going to have to also accept them being held equally responsible for their actions. You can't infantilize them and then expect people to take them as seriously as men.
There is a reason why, and it's what I noted above. Women are perceived as passive, non-agents and as victims, so it's harder for a lot of folks to recognize toxic femininity. It's there though if you are willing to see it. Women get away with much nastier behaviour than men do. Men are more often held accountable. Women are more often given excuses, as you just did. And before you tell me I am wrong about the above, consider that it works in both directions. It's also why women face a barrier in being taken as seriously as men and why they are dismissed more readily (as children are; who are even moreso treated as non-agents and not held responsible for their behaviour as adults are). It's sexist in both cases, and it hurts people of both genders. Women shouldn't be infantilized. They should be held with equal respect, seriousness, and be held as accountable as men, but they often aren't. And it's "feminists" making that so as much as it is misogynists.
I think you have seen and heard plenty of it, but just don't recognize it. If toxic masculinity is masculinity or societal perception and bias of the masculine (such as the bias I noted in the previous post) turned especially toxic, then toxic femininity is feminine or societal perception and bias of the feminine (again as above) turned especially toxic. Amber Heard and what she did to Johnny Depp is a prime case in celebrity news. Then you have women who invent false allegations of violence or threats to get back at men they don't like, or even to get ahead at work (we had a case of the latter where I work; three women conspired to bring allegations against a man who they wanted out of contention to make manager, and later two of them admitted it was fake after they were fired for stealing). Then you have mothers who smother their children since birth and think they can do no wrong, never letting the child grow up and be an adult. That's a different sort of feminine; nurturing maternal instincts gone toxic. Then you have women who cry victim and get men and society wrapped around their fingers, getting away with all manner of nasty things and hiding behind claimed victim or non-agent status (Lorena Bobbit and how the news covered her comes to mind, but so do petty small scale misdemeanor women). Then you have scammer women (open a male profile on any online dating site if you want to meet some) who play with the heads of lonely men, pretending to like them in order to extract as much money as possible before moving to new targets. It's all around us, and just as prevalent as toxic masculinity, but far more often flying under the radar and less often held to account. The toxic femininity version of "boys will be boys" is "she's just a girl" or "men are pigs, he probably had it coming".
The problem lies in the phrasing 'to aggressively compete and dominate others'. First off, 'dominate' can mean to impose ones will on other people, which I agree is a very negative and wrong thing to do. HOWEVER 'dominate' also commonly means to just be the best in a particular field, activity or subject matter. There is absolutely nothing wrong with 'dominating' a sport or a science or a career, and in fact the strive to dominate these things is more than anything else what drives the progress and prosperity of civilization. Secondly, the notion that 'aggressive competition' is bad is just flat out weapons grade bullshit. Thats collectivist propaganda designed to drive the notion that being better than others at something perpetuates inequality and injustice. Thats the tactic of the people who DO want to 'dominate' other people out of their own free will by convincing them that trying to excel is immoral. The folks who don't value morality will continue to excel and dominate the rest of us. Third, to suggest competition and domination of a science, career or sport is 'masculine' does a great disservice to women. Women should also strive to 'aggressively compete and dominate' in their chosen field of excellence. Doing so is NOT 'masculine', nor is it 'toxic.' Not for women, not for men. This phrasing is clearly intended to suggest that competition and seeking to outperform others is somehow wrong. Indeed we can understand the dynamic at work from arguably the wealthiest, most materially powerful and domineering man to ever live, John D. Rockefeller, when he famously said "Competition is a sin." That would be the most successfully competitive person ever telling the rest of us that we're immoral for not giving up and giving in to him. The term 'toxic masculinity' as defined today is just the modern, perhaps somewhat more sophisticated version of the agenda of the ruling elite to consolidate and solidify their power, their domination of us, by convincing the rest of us that striving for prosperity and independence from them is immoral, 'sinful.'
" toxic masculinity " as a ridiculous term created by sexually frustrated feminist and/or lesbians because they simply don't know what it takes to keep a man. Female incels
Oh come on. Lol. https://www.healthline.com/health/m...emininity, to put it,mindset isn't your fault. https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/sex-sexuality-and-romance/201908/toxic-femininity https://www.thehealthyjournal.com/faq/what-are-some-examples-of-toxic-femininity Bottom line you know very well humans of both genders, or whatever gender identity they identify with, can be toxic and pretty much all of us have been at some point in our moments of life. https://www.webmd.com/mental-health...c person is anyone,upset others along the way. Please, I appreciate this thread was not about toxic femininity. I am not arguing one makes the other equally as acceptable either or justify deflecting from the topic. All I am saying is we homo sapiens are a toxic species regardless of gender or gender preference as you are well aware.If nothing else we piss and **** on what we eat and sleep on and who we love. I never met a homo sapiens that was not a pisser poo head. Have a nice pooo-pee day.
I don't consider those examples to be particularly feminine. The kind of toxic masculinity expressed in the film (The start of this discussion) was about a homosexual man who couldn't admit it to himself or anyone else and was jealous of his seemingly weaker brother ( actually just more empathetic and considerate, so actually more of a balanced man) and couldn't make proper relationships. So he took it out on his sister in law. This wasn't deliberate, but deeply psychological. He was seriously damaging her. We can all be inconsiderate or manipulative but the toxicity in the film was a deep refusal to admit himself to himself. And a desire to screw someone else up and destroy his brothers marriage . He saw masculinity as having a woman and being gay, was conflicted about his role. The toxicity was about the conflicted gender roles. A bit different to manipulation etc as you describe it which either gender can do without the issue itself being one of conflicted gender roles. But yes, women can also be dangerous. But they are very aware of their gender.
They all play into either the feminine or the social bias of what feminine is. Ok, sure, that's a form of toxic masculinity if it was about gender role, but that's only one form, and a female equivalent isn't hard to see. Some women equate feminity to having children (or custody over their kids) and others equate it to having a man. Women have done toxic things on both of these bases. The family courts are heavily biased towards women regarding child custody, to the point that some women with mental problems or histories of violence have been given custody over men who have neither. Should we brand that institutional toxic femininity? The manipulation I described stemmed directly from gender bias and gender and roles and societal perception of them. Women can manipulate people in ways that men can not, or at least not be anywhere near the same level. Juries often go easier on female defendants than on male defendants for the same crime. Toxic masculinity/femininity isn't about not being aware of their gender. It is about acting in toxic ways due to perception of their gender, gender roles, and societal biases about gender.
The ONLY time I considered I had toxic masculinity was when my underarm deodorant ran out and I ofan.
