Trump indicates he may pardon some Jan. 6 defendants should he return to office

I said "also". Of course there's plenty of video of violence. But you have to acknowledge the things which don't support your narrative.The debate on this site would be a lot more fun if more people did.

 

Again, bail is based on factors including those beyond the initial charge made.

Several have made your argument. As far as I've seen, there has been no identification of someone held too long.

 

You're going to have to really stretch to deny post #97 by @Across the pond.

 

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

 

The riot at the Capitol in 2018 trying to obstruct and official proceeding.

 

Oh well nothing of intellectual merit to respond to.............

 

Does that apply to Colbert's production team who were trespassing in the Capitol the other night?

 

I accept your concession.

 

It's called witness tampering

 

Yes, not everyone was violent. But the main contingent WAS violent. So for many on the right to make the assertion that it was a "peaceful protest" is beyond disingenuous.

We are getting more and more alarming information from the J6 committee that shows this WAS a concerted effort by many to overthrow democracy. I really don't think thats up for debate after what the J6 committee has brought to light. YES, not everyone there was there to overthrow democracy, but they supported those who did want that. And what were now finding out about what those in the government were doing to thwart democracy, I think everyone should be alarmed.

 

YES, not literally everyone there was violent. But enough of them were to call this what it was. Yet even those who were there "peacfully" supported the ultimate goal that was to overthrow democracy. Even you have to admit that ?

 

The vast majority of those present inside the capitol were non violent. The withheld capitol video will prove it beyond all doubt.

 

SIAP. You don't have any friends who were even remotely involved in the Jan. 6 riot.

 

You mean those protestors that stood OUTSIDE the Hearings for Kavanaugh ?

Show us where they got into the SC ?

 

What "withheld" video ?

Im very interested to see the video of the videographer who was doing a story on the Trumps during the time right after the election.....

 

The main masses were not violent. There were thousands around the Capitol who were doing nothing but singing, talking, watching, taking videos and selfies, maybe waving signs, and looking for T-shirts to buy.

 

No, I don't not at all. They were there not to "overthrow democracy" but to protest the electoral college vote as the Democrats have done three times since 2000, the last just 4 years earlier. And the Democrats weren't challenging the vote because they suspected illegitimacy but just because they didn't like it.

 

Fine, we broadly agree. So you don't have to convince me of anything.

 

I honestly don't see what your point is. There was a lot of violence in the process of the rioters breaking into the Capitol: 114 officers were injured, one died of a heart attack, one protestor was killed by the police. Is the fact that many people weren't violent supposed to make that better?

 

The ones that got into the Capitol to shutdown the Kavanaugh hearing even trapping one Senator in an elevator and the ones who were trying to at the SCOTUS led by Schumer, the SCOTUS security was able to keep them out.

Then there were these environmental rioters I noted a few months back.



Why do you pretend Jan 6 was the first time anyone rioted in DC?

 

Without anything of intellectual merit to which to respond there is nothing to which to concede.

You can try again but I doubt you will have any better response

I mean at some point those radicals on the right were gonna say well that seems to be the only thing that works so let's try it too. The burning and looting of local, state and federal offices with PEOPLE INSIDE. The occupying of private and public land in cities and declaring themselves insurrectionist and their own governments. Remember when the left tried to shutdown the Kavanaugh hearings "obstructing and official proceeding" and how the MSM reported that? Remember the now VP doing pleas on TV and other media to send in money to bailout the leftwing radicals so they could go back on the streets and keep rioting? You cannot envision how those on the other side with such radical notions might say to themselves hey what's good for the goose is good for the gander?

 

They could both be true. We KNOW that many of the protesters attacked police, broke windows and doors, etc. AND it appears that, at least in one case, some officers didn't stop them and let them enter, in one location.
So, the argument could go back and forth, but in the end, both arguments are correct.
Still doesn't absolve what the perpetraitors did that day.
Also, I think all this arguing is glossing over the truth of that time (probably on purpose), that Donald Trump and company tried to alter or interfere with a legally held American election and it's end result by trying to fake electors, and get that through the door using a riot as a distraction. I think the entire Jan 6th rally and subsequent event at the Capitol building were a distraction and cover for the fake electors being attempted to be installed.
Keep arguing over the small stuff, that's what they want. Doesn't absolve Trump from the disgusting events around Jan 6th and the 2020 election.

 

Wait, now it was because of the electoral college ? Wasn't the protest called "Stop the Steal" ?

 

Why do you leave out that they were arrested OUTSIDE the capital, not inside ? Thats not a trivial distinction

 

Ah, so you want to live in a Country where laws are meaningless and because violent dipshits commit horrendous crimes, that should be excuse enough for the people you support to do the same. That is sickening and sad that you feel this way BG. Why is it so hard for you and other rightists to simply speak the truth and admit that what took place at the Capital was terrible and those that helped cause what happened that day should be prosecuted to the fullest? And before you deflect back to BLM, Antifa, Kavanaugh or whatever horseshit you will deflect to, I have stated numerous times that ANYONE who committed violent crimes during the BLM riots deserve to rot in prison. Do you feel the same way about your traitorous trumpists that attempted to destroy democracy and murder Trump's VP?