Trump indicates he may pardon some Jan. 6 defendants should he return to office

Out of all of this the one thing that seems to get glossed over is that we keep claiming these were "fake electors" when in reality they weren't.

What Trump was trying to do was actually legal IF he got those state senates to actually send the electors he wanted instead of him getting just the SOS in each state to send them(thats what made them "fake"). What most people don't realize is that a LOT of states (including the one I live in) actually have the ability to send whatever set of electors they want, and most states don't actually require those electors to follow the popular vote. So if you think that the Koch brothers spending all that money at the state level to get state legislatures that were republican was just because they needed state laws, you're sorely mistaken. The Kochs have been playing the long game, like most republicans have for years now, and the dem leadership keep wondering what happened

 

Ahhh they were arrested INSIDE the Capitol. There is no distinction.

 

There is no constitutional requirement that you get to vote for your state electors. You only do so at the pleasure of the legislature. Every state does allow for a vote now but most if not all have a safety valve incase of a contested election meaning the Electors could not be certified that the legislature would choose the Electors in order to save the State's votes in the EC. The STATES elect the President not the People. This was on the verge of happening in Florida 2000 because Gore was running the clock out to it's bitter end and the Florida Supreme Court had unconstitutionally, both federal and state, void the Secretary of States certification of the election results.

As has been repeated over and over, the Dems tried to get different slates of electors in 2016, 2000, 2004 it was not something new when Trump attempted it he just did not get the chance because of the riot that happened.

 

Have any Trump supporters been charged and convicted of battery?

 

Before Trump decided to pardon anyone associated with the J6 riots he should Google William Mark Felt Sr..

 

You do know the "fake electors" letters bore Republican Party and no official seals or certifications, they were protest documents. Had in some way any of the slates of electors had been disqualified in the Congressional count then the legislature would have appointed a new slate and new OFFICIAL documents submitted.

 

Extreme hyperbole does not substitute for a well reasoned argument. Just sayin.

 

There is no way you could derive that from what I posted. It is sickening that you cannot carry on a proper conversation and discussion without your specious invective. Oh well I tired.

I have clearly stated from day one anyone who violated the law should be prosecuted so you can stop asking specious questions.

 

It only shows how lacking they is the one being presented and then add in the baseless invective...............

 

Yeah, right. That took about 1 minute: https://www.azmirror.com/blog/hobbs-asks-ag-to-investigate-fake-electors-for-using-state-seal/
There were several more also. I'll let you look them up.

 

By that time the only way the Trump team had of altering the election was through the electoral college vote counting by congress scheduled for Jan 6, 2021.

 

Of course it doesn't. But, you haven't identified anything that I've said that fits that truism.

Let's remember that what I've said concerning Trump's actions and statements comes directly from careful analysis.

One of the problems here is that records of Trump's actions and statements in regard to our democracy DO sound like hyperbole.

How could an American president commit clearly criminal acts?

How could an American president work to defeat our democracy when he swore to defend our constitution - which clearly lays out our democracy?

 

Trump team did nothing to encourage any riotous action; in fact they admonished and discouraged it. Outside of that, Trump did nothing more about the electoral college vote that Democrats hadn't done three times before since 2000. He was just a bit louder.

 

The Capitol police simply chose not to arrest any of the inside demonstrators.

 

No, What Trump did was try to get Pence to not certify only the electors they did'nt need, bit that the states had sent. THAT was where is was Trump trying to overturn the free and fair election. Thats not a trivial distinction that Trump tried to void only some people/states that benefited HIM.

 

HUH ?

 

no, thats NOT what he wanted, or tried to do. He wanted Pence to decertify ONLY those states/electors that he didn't need. Essentially picking and choosing who's vote got counted.

 

There was only a handful of states where the electoral college vote was highly suspicious.

 

I think the vote was highly suspicious all across the country. I think Trump supporters cheated in a major way, only to lose anyway. That's why Trump was so outraged, he thought he had it in the bag. All those 2000 mules? They were Trump supporters casting multiple illegal votes for Trump.
Trump only thought they were suspicious in states he lost. Ever wonder why? Now you know!
As someone recently told me, you don't need proof that there was cheating.

 

Do you have more info on that statement ?

From what I have read there were no "suspicions" except from Trump and him not having the vote ?

 

Somehow I missed that the Democrats sent fake electoral college slates to the National Archives. Did they really do that?
Be honest, Trump and team would have tried ANYTHING to change/negate the votes of 10's of millions of legal voters.
And you think that was ok?

 

Trump wanted to decertify those states that had a ton of reasonable suspicious activity and evidence of wrong doing. I thought I had stated that slowly and clearly enough. But I guess not.

 

That evidently depends on which aside is cheating.

 

None that would make a dent in your belief.

 

Took me five more to actually read the ariticle and she is not associated with the Republican Party, the Trump campaign and THOSE Electors.

"Osiecki and her cohorts were not the official Republican electors who were pledged to vote for Trump if the president had won Arizona in the 2020 general election.

Arizona’s official Republican electors, which includes several prominent GOP officials, submitted fake electoral votes of their own on Dec. 14, the date when electors across the nation cast their votes. The Arizona Republican Party said the votes would be sent to Congress, where it hopes they will be counted as Arizona’s official electoral votes on Jan. 6, when Congress will count and certify the votes of the Electoral College."
https://www.azmirror.com/blog/hobbs-asks-ag-to-investigate-fake-electors-for-using-state-seal/

Care to revise and extend?