U;tra- Rich are screwing the middle class and the poor

I don't know about the "ultra liberal", but I prefer that people stick with REALITY when they opine.

 

My post was in response to someone and in that context it made sense.

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I am real. Answer the question or tell us you don't know.

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I always do. When do you plan to start?

 

So in other words you can't bring yourself to condemn rich Hollywood elitist. Got it.

 

Your stating we shouldn't loan money through banks, you can do it directly if you so choose I do it through banks.

Yeah, to money in a bank, you do too, how neat.

You forgot I'm not a big government guy nor do I support socializing corporate losses. I am smart enough to know that the financial system is like the electrical system or water system and that is must be maintained no matter what which is what TARP did and then the money was paid back.

 

You may want to move to Europe, Japan or South Korea, then. America is kind of slacking and apparently too broke to keep up with infrastructure.

 

I don't mind blaming the right.

 

I suppose there are 'some' problems with "Hollywood", but that would hardly be 'my' focus at this point.

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No, you really aren't. Please stop trying to waste people's time.

 

America isn't really so broke that it cannot invest in its own "infrastructure". But we ARE so inflicted with greed, that our priorities are extremely screwed-up.

 

I'm fed up with everybody blaming their lives on the upper classes, it's funny how when one is poor one hates the rich but when one is wealthy one defends it.

 

The feds' priorities, anyway. I think the states tend to be much more sensible, California excepted

 

I think the States can do their part, but I don't buy the idea that the Federal Government is so much worse or less helpful than the States.

Our government would be better (at all levels), if people would work to improve it... rather than complain so much about it.

 

Complaining is pretty much all we have. The system stands in the way of any meaningful work to improve anything.

 

That is because you see other peoples money as yours, or, as Americas money. It's not, It is the property of individuals. We are not all part of some collective, rich nation, we are individuals.

 

the right only claims to believe that if they feel the least wealthy may benefit.

 

No. I've talked with enough people about politics and government... to know that they are not even willing to press a single key and write their Congressmen. They don't even know what legislation is about to affect them, because they are UNINFORMED and (of course) when something passes that they don't like... they whine/complain and act angry.

With the exception of the monumental INTRANSIGENCE and extremism of many politicians on the Right (of late), there is NOTHING NEW about the political struggles we are seeing.

I would say, that people need to be ENGAGED and willing to contact their members of Congress. And IF they have any notion that they should not vote and continue to support those they voted for... then they will get exactly what they deserve.

In a world (nation) where people say and mean things like THIS... people can never just let things run from a distance on political auto-pilot.

 

We all benefit from being a part of America. To let corporations or the wealthiest amongst us DRAIN an immorally disproportionate amount of the overall benefit of living or operating here, is simply wrong.

I'm not about taking people's money from them, but we damned sure CANNOT allow 'some' people to be worth too much more than others. More specifically, I can agree that people can make money... but they don't also get to RUN the nation because of it. People who are NOT wealth should also have equal rights and say in shaping what this society is.

Now, it's a complex thing getting to the proper compromises, but those will NEVER look anything like allowing capitalist vultures to drain all that is worthwhile from everyone else. (Know what I mean?)

In a society where the contributions of all (commonwealth, if you will) bleeds into the benefit of ALL... we would be fools to let a mere handful of wealthy people control all or most of everything. That would be nothing but a recipe for disaster on many levels. And we are experiencing evidence of that, even now.

 

They aren't going to fight for anything that will weaken their own position. They aren't going to eliminate or reform the Debate Commission or anything else about how our elections work simply because we contact and voice our opinions to our so-called representatives, since those representatives would then be opening a door to their own defeat in future elections. This is the sad reality of our situation:

https://www.change.org/petitions/co...on-and-jill-stein-in-the-presidential-debates
In order to be included in the debates, a candidate must poll 15% nationwide in five approved polls. The problem with this is that candidates who are not Democrat or Republican are often not included in these polls, making it impossible to achieve the required percentage of support.

 

Right!! It amazes me how some people cannot admit they are greedy sons-of-guns... when the very essence of their expressed views reveal the same.

 

We'll I'm not so sure that people moving to change things 'cannot' manage the same; I'm not so pessimistic and cynical as that. Perhaps that stems from being an African American, and realizing that the SYSTEM has always been stacked against the regular guy. I'll pick battles I can win, and keep fighting.

Even so, there are those who want to change things now (overnight); I don't know how to mitigate a mindset like that... I can only share my views in a straightforward way.

If you fight, you may 'lose'; if you don't fight, you'll lose for sure.

 

Johnny, I have read a lot of your post on here. We probably disagree on almost everything, but I hear you, I really do. When you see someone with so much, eating $1000 dinners and going home to their $5,000,000 penthouse while someone else has so little, It can be frustrating. I get it. Our system is far from perfect. But it is the MOST perfect. Individuals pursuing their own self interest can create drastic differences in outcomes. But, the alternative is a select few creating the outcomes for the rest of us. Just because some hedge fund manager makes $20,000,000 a year, doesn't prevent some poor schmuck from inventing the next billion dollar idea in their basement.

 

Enough!

I see that we will continue to disagree. BTW, for me it is not frustrating for me to see the good things others have; that's not it... I'm not envious one iota. I possess and have experienced many of the best material things on this planet.

I'm concerned about a system, a paradigm, a mindset which allows for MASSIVE wealth inequality in the first place. No, it's not what I see wealthy people doing/possessing, but bit is being concerned about how our nation or this society is set up to provide opportunity and benefit.

For the very reasons above, I KNOW that no few pages within an internet forum will sufficiently address all I'm considering. And that is why I view these imperfect answers we all share as little markers placed out in a vast wilderness; some clues being better than others.

In time, the worst ideas will be winnowed out and the best will be considered... even newer ideas will come into being.

But never will things be OKAY, if we promote or continue to allow the MANY to be abjectly exploited by a rare few. That is nothing but 'fail'.

 

There are several things you don't mind Daniel, including making ridiculous claims about socialism and the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

 

I suspect that if I became more engaged than I am, it would not satisfy you as to what I would do.

 

The biggest thing we need to do with the federal government and elections is to make them like they were, all local elections. No one knows who or what a national candidate is except those in his immediate political district.

We need to elect our state representatives from our district and to elect our US House representative from our district. The State legislature should appoint the two senators to the US Senate and our state legislators should inform our US house representatives of who the people in our districts want as president. That way we vote for people we know and who will do what we want them to do.

 

Pretty fair to say there are plenty of hypocrites on both sides then, wouldn't you say?

How people MAKE their millions is what matters, IMO. Typically, the right embraces the ultra wealthy through corporations, outsourcers like CEO's, Wall Street casino gamblers who get their losses covered when they lose their winnings, big whigs born of inheritances, passed on through generations of non working spoiled brats, or other 'Walmart type' titans that manipulate and run over everybody else for MORE for themselves.
The right embraces these kinds of folks, and the GOP unabashedly and un-apologetically defends these kinds of vermin (hell, they practically brag about it). I'd say THOSE kinds of human beings (supposedly), are not something the country, or the world, needs more of. People that make money exposing the truth? Kudos to them. Kennedy? More of a President than any Republican could ever dream of becoming so, yeah, I tend to excuse that too.

I hate the corporation, the corporate raider, the tyrannical profiteer, and I wouldn't say that Michael Moore, JFK, or most people who are paid to entertain, and I don't really think that they fit into that classification. HOW the wealth is attained, is key.