U;tra- Rich are screwing the middle class and the poor

I see. So, never mind how we got our wealth. Jut accept that it's 'all mine". If I were able to get piles of cash for killing kids or puppies, it wouldn't matter because that was then, and this is now. Gotcha. Walmart exemplifies 'the China syndrome' most boldly, and leads the way, encouraging others to follow, and are merely the biggest and boldest example of what has gone wrong with crapitalism. I thought I pointed that out already. My intelligence is intact, Sir. I can assure you. Anytime you'd like to compare IQ's, please proceed.

 

Watch the documentary, or don't..I don't care but, it's in there. I'm not interested, or have the patience, in leading a horse to water that has no intentions of drinking it to begin with.

 

Monopolies and corporate mergers tend to inhibit competition, and stagger innovation and creativity for communities, or their would be businesses. Tough to have any kind of business doing anything, with a Walmart every 5 feet, crushing you.

 

Everyone shares the same morals? Really? Typical liberal arrogance.

Tell that to the Chinese government. ..They allow it.

Yeah so are most of the products sold everywhere in the world today. Yeah shame on Walmart and EVERY other business for having the nerve to make a profit. Your comments are beyond ridiculous.

 

I didn't say that (typical right wing falsehoods). Republicans have no morals that don't produce profit. I DID say that.


Yes, and we exploit it as well as China, by leeching off of their child labor. Crapitalism is what has Chinese products everywhere, which are produced from kids in sweat shops. (that and our own ignorance and immorality).

 

The issue is very simple. Are we for free speech or not. Are campaign contributions considered free speech. Beyond that your argument means nothing. Last I heard Soros, Buffet, Moore managed to spend millions on behalf of us democrats. Do you want that to stop?

I don't judge others, I judge what they say.

Of pitures, yes, of stock, no. I supplement my Army retirement with rental income from houses I bought over the years when I changed assignments, then sold and combined them all into one piece of rental property. And I still get more than I need so I give away a lot of money to Church charities and poor individuals. Now, if you want to know what my income is, it is no secret. I retired as a CW-4 from the army with almost 27 years of service. Unfortunately the active pay scale went up faster than retiree pay scales so I receive less than $3,500 a month pension and still give away over $1K a month. This month $2K supporting 5 kids in an orphanage.

 

Still trying to put words in my mouth fraud.

You certainly can't prove it by your assertions.

 

What monopolies? Other than natural monopolies like power, water, garbage et all, there is no big monopoly. Mergers don't hurt you either.

The businesses which walmart may have put out of businesses were not efficient enough to succeed, and they didn't pay any better than walmart. Your exaggeration is noted.

 

Free speech in the form of unlimited amounts of un-sourceable cash from anywhere, isn't 'free', and it hardly represents 'speech'. Yes, yes..the dems are bad too so, look at them, and not at us, cause they do it too. Heard that one already. You DO judge, quite obviously. We all do, to one degree or another. You are the one who threw our the 'envy' BS, insinuating you were 'better than that', and I pointed out that you judge, in the same 'sinful' manner.

27 years in the Army. So, you worked for government all that time, but you're opposed to government? How's that work? You didn't work in the 'private sector', so to speak. You accepted socialism. Is that right?

 

Then you would be wrong. I know quite a few republicans in business and your blanket comment does describe them. That is what I mean by your whining and complaining without relevance fraud.

And China and India and other countries like them are building a huge new middle class which will be huge markets for US goods and services.

 

You said 'that was then and this is now', so 'who cares' is what I got. Did you mean something different than that?

 

Efficient, big, corporate conglomerate. Yeah, I got that take he first time. Walmart is notoriously famous for treating their employees like garbage, and paying them like garbage. I guess you missed the piece on the news a week or two ago about Walmart employees having to take up donations to allow them to have a Thanksgiving dinner?

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I'm talking about how corporations treat their OWN people, right here, right now, in THIS country.

 

So do you believe the virtually unlimited porn is more free speech than election campaigns?

I judge what you say. I don't know you to know you are more than a whiner or not.

I don't judge people. I judge what they say, bounce it against 78 years of experience and tell you what I think about it.

Where in the world did you get the idea I was against the government? That is hilarious!

I spent 28 years in the private sector. In addition, while in the Army I managed a 600 workers industrial operation with all our labor civilian.

Nope! I defended our country from socialism. How in the world to you come up with those jewels of miscues?

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In context of the comments, yes. Go back and try again.

 

The ARMY is privately funded? Who knew? I thought you said you were 'in the ARMY'. My mistake, I guess. I respect your 78 years of experience, and I take it for what it's worth, and combine that opinion it with my own personal experiences, to form my own opinion. Being born 78 years ago, when things were different, are worth noting.

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The ARMY is privately funded? Who knew? I thought you said you were 'in the ARMY'. My mistake, I guess. I respect your 78 years of experience, and I take it for what it's worth, and combine that opinion it with my own personal experiences, to form my own opinion. Being born 78 years ago, when things were different, are worth noting.

Oh..'in context'. That was then, and this is now, means regardless of where you got your wealth, or how you got it, matters not. I missed that the first time around.

 

You implied you had a high IQ. Look at this chart and see what happens when you elevate the pay scales of unskilled workers. View attachment 24395 The bottom two lines combined follow approximately the 1st quintile of wages over 35 or so years as adjusted for inflation. Note that each quintile above the bottom went up a little faster, and as you go up further it goes up even more with each higher quintile. What that means rtwngfraud is when you raise wages at the bottom inflation of wages goes up on every higher quintile keeping the buying power of the bottom quintile relatively level. It is a market phenomenon which occurs naturally in all but socialist/marxist economies, which then depreciate all wages except those of the leaders.



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I see..so..LOWERING minimum wage to say, 3 cents an hour, HAS to be a good thing then, wouldn't you say?

 

I once worked for an employer who treated me like crap too. You what i did? I quit and found a better employer. People change employment all the time. It's a better than crying about how mean your employer is. ...and if you want better pay, then get the skills required to earn better pay.

 

The army is not privately funded, except that it is taxes collected from the citizens which funds it, but it still is not socialism.

I did.

Sarcasm noted.

I didn't say that either. It does matter that wealth is acquired honorably, and I do believe that most wealthy people did. I do not condone dishonorable wealth building, but I don't accept your opinion as to what is or is not dishonorable because you tend to exaggerate so much and try to put words into others' mouth.

 

Except when garbage employers take over, via sheer brute force (like Walmart), those employers become much tougher, and tougher, to find.

 

I see..so..LOWERING minimum wage to say, 3 cents an hour, HAS to be a good thing then, wouldn't you say?[/QUOTE]

Nope. Who's going to work for that wage in 2013? So that business owner would be out of business in no time.

 

I didn't say that either. But I sure as heck said that unskilled labor will tend to be paid at subsistence levels and if raised will not improve their standard of living, UNLESS, there is an automatic system to raise their minimum wages more frequently than the inflation of other wages; something I have proposed on a number of threads. But regardless, the bottom of the barrel will always be at the bottom, and when the level at the bottom rises so do all those above it. That is an economic reality no matter the system, except for socialism/marxism, both of which concentrates a higher % of workers at the bottom.

 

Garbage employers have not taken over. There are some, but there are more who are not. Walmart serves its purpose, it hires labor not capable of working elsewhere, and at a higher wage than paid elsewhere.

http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/04/24/pay-gap-rich-poor/Don't blame the 1% for America's pay gap.

Where you make your mistake rtwngfraud is concentrating your wrath on the almost perfect engine which furnishes the unskilled a living. It may only be a subsistence living, but it is better than they can get elsewhere.

What we need now, is for our resurgence of the middle class who lost a lot during the last recession. Of course this kind of think has happened through out history as business cycles almost always come out of the skin of the middle class and the poor.

 

Okay..so, to review. Working for publicly funded entities isn't any different than working for 'private' entities, and living off of government isn't socialism. Check. It matters how wealth is acquired, but morality is up to an individual to determine, and therefore, said acquired wealthy is subjective, and acceptable. Check.

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If raising it is bad, lowering it HAS to be good. Either that or, raising it, isn't all that bad an idea to begin with?

 

When garbage becomes the acceptable standard, it isn't long before garbage becomes the reality for those that accept it, IMO.

 

How do you get a resurgence of the middle class, with lower wages, and MORE profit, at the top of the 'business' agenda? It's been a pretty long 'business cycle' (if that's the case, which I reject). Perfect engine? Oye vay...don't know where to go with that nonsense.

2 pennies, are better than no pennies? (I guess?). It costs x dollars to live but, profiteers are only willing to pay a wage that reflects exponential and unlimited profit?

Why work at all when it costs a hundred dollars a day to live, but 50 cents is all you can make? Seems rather pointless, to me. (yes..I'm exaggerating). Whatever happened to a fair day's pay for a fair day's work? It doesn't exist any more, IMO.