Was God creating Satan a good idea?

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  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    You made a claim, based on the bible, I'm guessing. God is jealous.
    I never ever said a God doesn't exist.
    You have fallen for satan's greatest deception to mankind. You believe all in the bible literally.

    A being that knows absolutely all things would need no reason to be jealous. Especially one that is omni all things.
     
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    God is love, without God there is no love. God is only jealous of man who chooses satan's ways over His. For in doing so, they are choosing evil over love. And love always triumphs.
     
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    The Bible is the word of God. If you argue that man wrote it, your correct. However, God is the Almighty, He is the Alpha and Omega.

    Life gives you choices, the decisions you make from those choices, is what shows God who you are. This is how He is able to choose people to do His will. Same with nations and kingdoms. A righteous man will make righteous choices, these are the people He chooses to write His word. People He knows will keep His word true.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    a real God would not punish good people just cause they were not Christians...

    a real God would not let children get molested in a house of God

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    You cannot get to our Father, but through Jesus. One cannot worship multiple god's. For they will either hate the one and love the other. If one is good and yet refuse to acknowledge Jesus, then yes they will not see the kingdom. But that is not God, that is that person's individual choice.

    No child gets molested in the house of God. For if this happens, than it is not a house of God. Merely one acting as if it is. The roman catholic church, is the false prophet. It has nothing to do with true Christianity.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so your saying any church that a child gets molested in is not really a house of God and people should stop worshiping there?
     
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    "Thou shall forgive". "If you must judge, judge righteously".
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so was that a yes or a no
     
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    One would have to look at the history of the church. Does the church really teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Does it have a history of pedophiles. That is what meant by judge with righteousness.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you said a child can not be molested in a house of God, then I said then is any church that a child was molested in not a house of God.... yes or no

    what you said

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  11. dairyair

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    Pretty silly claim on your part. What proof can you offer?

    Not how I see it, or the bible. Most will end up in hell per the bible. Seems satan's ways triumphs.
    Anyways, that doesn't address why God would be jealous, a sin per the bible, over something he already knows?
     
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    I used to think I can prove God's existence. However, through prayer of understanding and knowledge, it seems in my heart He is telling me. The only way to prove God, is by the individual. For if one chooses to not seek God, He will allow that. If you choose to seek Him, He will not only reveal himself to you, He will reward you as well.

    I see what your saying, however you could say that at the moment here on earth, satan is winning the battle. But in the end he will lose the war. Love always triumphs. If you think burning in hell for eternity is triumphant, I don't know what to tell you. Might you tell me where in the Bible it says, being jealous is a sin?
     
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    And what does He do to you...if you don't?
     
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    Your simply playing games and or trick questions. My answer is very much applicable. For if one claiming to be Christian kills somebody, are they really a Christian? If this person asked for forgiveness, and Jesus sees that in their heart, they are indeed truly seeking forgiveness. They will be forgiven. To ask Jesus for forgiveness, is to acknowledge His existence, therefore they are a true Christian.

    If a priest is caught molesting a child in the church. Do you blame the church or the priest? Does the church go to jail or the priest? Can you start to see how silly your being?
     
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    He does nothing, for if it is your wish to not be in His kingdom, you will get your wish. It is not God who abandoned you, it is you who abandoned Him.
     
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    you were the one playing games when you said a child can not be molested in a house of God.... as we all know many children have been molested in Churches by Preachers even...

    as to your new topic, yes, someone that is good but doesn't believe will not be saved, but the sexual offender or murder could be

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    if someone saw the molestation happening, could stop the molestation but choose to do nothing, would you not also blame them? is that not what God woudl be doing if a child molestation happened in a Church?

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    No sin or sins cannot be forgiven. I am sure you are misunderstanding this. For if one simply asks for forgiveness, yet does not mean it. They will not be forgiven. For Jesus knows what is truly in ones heart, and can tell if indeed they mean it.

    Jesus told us to call out evil when we see it. So yes, if one does not call it out, they are to blame as well. "The blood shall surely be on their hands as well". That was just another way of saying that.

    As to your evil doings happening in the house of God. The entire earth is the house of God, it is His creation. However, it is satan at the moment who is in control through deception and lies. Therefore all sins could be considered taken place in the house of God. He will only put up with it for just a little while longer. For His signs and prophecies of the end times, are revealing themselves as we speak.
     
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    by that same logic, God created Satan and God is all knowing, so he knowingly created all the evil in the world
     
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    End of Story.
     
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    If your looking for me to give you an answer that agrees with you. You will never find it. For you are absolutely mocking God. Like a child talking bad about his dad, then turns around and sees his dad. UH OH!
     
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    so you do not agree that God created Satan and God is all knowing

    ok, neither do I, so then I guess we agree ;)

    you can believe in your God all you want, just don't expect others too
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    God says everything that is made, was made by Him. Take that as you will.

    John 1:3
    All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    Of my understanding God created all angels, including the fallen one. From my understanding, satan would have to have free will, for he rebelled against God. This does not mean satan can choose to do something that is not prophesied. For satan is limited. As I stated before. If you was to jump out of a plane without a parachute, you know what is about to happen, for everything in this moment is limited. Same with satan, God knows his limits, therefore he knows what moves satan must do.
     
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    Ah...so if we do what God wants, He gives us Heaven...and He gets credit for it.

    if we don't do what God wants, He sends us to Hell....but it's our fault.


    So Heads He Wins, Tails We Lose?
     
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    You don't have to give an answer. It is written in the bible. I, God, create all things. Evil is included in the all things. You should know the verse being a bible advocate.
     
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    You are merely without knowledge. But let's do like Hollywood and pretend anyways. If God created love and evil, and told you to choose one, which one would you choose?
     

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