Was Jesus the First Republican?

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    well you see little kids mining for coal in Africa. They want to help themselves for sure but don't know how. That is why we need to create the context in which they can help themselves ie Republican capitalism and Christianity. We have child labor today only because liberals prevent Republican Christianity and capitalism. Liberalism has always been the ultimate source of evil on earth.
     
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    this is true. We have poverty because liberals substitute welfare for capitalism and liberal govt schools for private voucher schools
     
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    You like putting your words in the mouths of others? Obviously. It is what an intellectual lazy person does. IMO

    I would no more depend upon a modern liberal democrat to do the right thing than the modern conservative. Neither are pragmatic and that is what we need instead of ideology dictating actions. Especially perhaps your own ideology.
     
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    That is utter hyperbole if not completely false. But most things uttered from a total disconnect with reality are generally false.

    We have had poverty since the rise of civilization. Welfare came thousands of years later when a nation could afford to care for its poor instead of allowing them to starve. So you are so ill informed my friend. I think you need to spend some time reading history.
     
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    wrong of course China tried to feed everybody and 60 million slowly starved to death and 1 billion lived at subsistence. The way to feed them all is with Republican capitalism. Now do you understand?
     
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    you mean capitalist China where everyone is getting rich or sweet caring share the wealth communist China where 60 million slowly starved to death???
     
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    I never said capitalism was not needed. So what am I wrong on? That we could afford to feed our poor and because of earlier moral americans we started doing that using tax dollars to finance food as well as war? This is what I was saying. So I think you may have created yourself one of those things called a straw man, and are attacking your own mental creation, not mine. ha ha ha
     
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    you mean with Republican capitalism and Christianity or intergenerational crippling hip hop welfare??
     
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    bu these are the saintly liberals you want to administer welfare??? See why we say liberalism is based in ignorance not intelligence?
     
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    so to a liberal the more dependence on govt the better? This is the opposite of the American concept of freedom from big liberal govt. Why are liberals so anti American? All SS does does is insure most don't save for retirement and lets 15% of our life time income get ripped off in return for a tiny fraction of it at retirement if we live long enough to get a penny of it.
     
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    ??? why are you so afraid to present your best example of this?
     
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    The right is also not addressing it correctly either. Part of the poverty problem is a result of under-education and lack of jobs from automation which are problems the right ignore.
     
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    where do we find pragmatic. I wonder why you forgot to tell us??
     
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    I didn't know there was a GOP version of Christianity. Does it come with a Trump version of the bible? There are a lot of ethics and Republicans, Democrats, Christians, and the non-religious can agree on and that we should be teaching in schools.
     
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    Making individuals and making them loved doesn't mean they have a right to liberty. If I recall correctly Christianity believes the universe is a big dictatorship and God will torture people for eternity for even their private thoughts. Christians are also commanded to always obey their dictators and their dictators are appointed by God. That doesn't sound like personal liberty to me.
     
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    Wrong of course. 1) A Republican Christian capitalist culture with competitive voucher education would not suffer from under education, and 2) employment is 97% so there is no shortage of jobs
     
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    The bible doesn't say anything about economics and doesn't say much about politics. Employment is actually lower than it was in 2007 and has only half-recovered.
     
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    You present either fundamentalist Christianity or Nazism with no rational alternatives.
     
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    Republicans are Christians and liberals seem to despise it.


    Here's a typical example 6 posts ago!!
    "But killing others and exterminating races of people like professing Christian right wingers do in his name is utter evil."
     
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    Republicans are Christians but the vast majority of Christians in the world aren't Republicans. Half of liberals in the US are Christian.
     
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    if they are loved as individuals and have individual volitional relationships with God they do have liberty from liberal Roman gods and earthly Roman rulers.
     
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    No, being loved does not mean you have liberty. The bible does not agree as you can read below. You can either accept Republican ideology or the bible. Make your choice.

    Romans 13
    1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
    2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
    3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended.
    4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
    5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
    6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing.
    7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
     
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    total 100% nonsense of course:
    Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us. For you yourselves know how you ought to imitate us, because we were not idle when we were with you, nor did we eat anyone's bread without paying for it, but with toil and labor we worked night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you. It was not because we do not have that right, but to give you in ourselves an example to imitate. For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.
     

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