Well, so much for Tulsi Gabbard

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  1. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    The difference between MTG and Nikki Haley is that Nikki Haley is more paletable to independents than MTG is. Hence, the better ticket. Remember Reagan/Bush. Reagan was the conservative, Bush was moderate and it was the perfect ticket in 1980 and 1984. And that holds true today.

    He may run and there is always a chance the GOP will not vote for him if DeSantis also runs. And I don't see DeSantis not running at this time.

    If DeSantis wins the GOP nomination, he is more than capable of choosing Tulsi Gabbard for those independents. He wants to win, and win badly. the question is whether Tulsi will accept the nomination.

    Never said he was stupid, but he clearly does not think things through. That is a skill, not intelligence. Second, nothing in the JCTA helped working-class Americans. Nothing in Sen. Rick Scott's plan or Rep. McCarthy's plan will help working-class Americans. Tariffs did not help working-class Americans. They are the ones paying for the damn tariffs.
     
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    Authoritarianism, Christian Nationalism, and a few others.
     
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    The one line thay disputes the entire premise of your post and outlines the entirety of the article.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hey....we gave you Liiz Cheney and we get TULSI!!!! We came out way ahead on that trade! No more Nation Building and wars that do not effect America's interest!
    You can stick with globalist establishment types which span both parties but I'll stay with America 1st leaders!
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No , authoritarians weaponize the FBI and offer a million to try and sink their opponents by lying on a fisa order to spy.
    I'll go with American Nationalists and especially those who put their faith in Christ. You can continually call us by a whole host of names but I correctly spelled out the definition. What do you consider yourself? Marxist, Globalist, Atheist, Godless, Progressive? There are a "few others".
     
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    Tulsi inhales Furry pee in the blowing wind.

    :roflol:
    Transcript.


    "Joe Rogan and Tulsi Gabbard spread the debunked internet hoax that students are using litter boxes at school"

    "Spotify’s Rogan claimed that a school “had to install a litter box in the girls' room because there is a girl who's a furry, who identifies as an animal”

    read;
    https://www.mediamatters.org/joe-ro...ead-debunked-internet-hoax-students-are-using
     
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    Typical right wing answer to news not from Dear Leader
     
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    That's just the BS line from the RNC/DNC clubs who prefer a controllable Nikki Haley over an uncontrollable MTG... MTG is perfectly palatable to independents.

    Not at all.

    Yes.

    Right.

    No it wasn't and no it isn't.

    Trump WILL run, unless he becomes a political prisoner.

    Not a chance. DeSantis will simply be the RNC club preferred candidate, who they will try to sell to enough MAGA Republicans, but MAGA Republicans are VERY loyal to Trump and largely want Trump and nobody BUT Trump.

    Correct. He didn't amass a $200M+ war chest from pro-Wall Street RNC club mega-donors, that he isn't spending on his governor's race, for nothing...

    He won't... not if MAGA largely sticks together and backs Trump.

    There will not be a DeSantis/Gabbard ticket... the RNC club hates Gabbard just as much as the DNC club hates Gabbard. Neither of the two Uniparty clubs like nor accept people who call out the elitist war mongering cabal of Washington DC. That ticket doesn't stand a chance in hell.
     
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    Authoritarianism is not that. It is the total control of the government, business, and the Church for a political agenda.

    As far as FISA, that was handled by Horowitz in which two were valid and two were not valid. However, even in the Mueller Report verified parts of the Steele Dossier and did not very other parts. So, out of the four FISA warrants, two were not valid because of that information. However, the judge who signed the FISA warrant had not indicated whether that was valid or not. The FBI just didn't dot all the i's and cross all the t's in two of those FISA warrants, additional research would have probably yielded the necessary information to validate those warrants. Even the final Senate report confirmed that analysis.

    Besides, the whole point of their investigation was not Trump per se, but the two Russian agents, which was verified by the Mueller Report, who met with Trump's senior campaign officials. And that was necessary.

    I am a Christian and a majority of Christians do not believe in Christian Nationalism. Remember, the Bible says that all things come together for the Glory of God. And that can mean anything from a Democrat winning to a Republican winning the Presidency in 2024, and everywhere in between.
     
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    Are you kidding? You must love mayhem, or be pitching an idea for a porn flick.
     
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    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    Not really. A lot of independents can vote for a GOP in one race and be perfectly happy with a Democrat in another race. They rarely vote straight party ticket unlike members of either major political party. And I know some Republicans will vote Libertarian if they cannot vote for a GOP candidate.

    In those days, yes it was because of the large segments of moderates in both parties and independents. Reagan had a good message of hope, which the populace needed, but he also needed a moderate, aka Bush Sr, who help solidify the ticket. Reagan had no regrets and they still remained good friends despite some policy differences. But that was a different time then. Reagan was extremely pragrmatic as a President and which made him a top 15 President in our History.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/...ticket-compare-to-reaganbush/?sh=302005931d10

    I think he will no matter if he is facting an indictment or not. However, it remains to be seen if he is the nominee if DeSantis also runs. The GOP do not want the childish behavor of Trump but may prefer the antics of DeSantis.

    The MEGA crowd is about 40% of the GOP electorate. The 60% is what you have to worry about whether or not they choose Trump or DeSantis.

    Which is why I said he will run and may win. I am not a DeSantis Supporter or a Trump supporter. But I am an independent outside looking in. And that is what I see.


    But what about the 60% who are not MEGA supporters who are also members of the GOP. They prefer not to have Trump.

    DeSantis may argue that may be the best ticket to win the 2024 Election. If he can do that, the RNC Club will accept her under certain conditions, including the least of which she registers as a Republican much like Trump kids did when Trump ran in 2016. Prior to that, neither Don Jr, Eric, nor Ivanka never voted in their life nor were registered in any political party prior to 2016.
     
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    I'm sure you're right - keep voting to cut our energy supply, raise taxes, print "money", kill jobs, and swamp what's left of our country with illegal immigrants... it's been a fun ride.

    Yeah, that's preferable to abundant energy, lower taxes, and more jobs.

    Good thinkin there Junkie ;)
     
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    Sure it did, sure
     
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    Did I say I believe in Christian Nationalism? Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. Render unto God what is God's. I believe American Nationalism has done more to make Christianity flourish and have liberty than any nation on the planet. That is why I would say I am an "American Nationalist." second to being a Christian, Yes Globalism in America has tried to shut down the Church (it did it;s best during COVID) it does it's best to control business through excessive regulation, as well as weaponizing it's bureaucratic institutions against it's enemies. 87,000 IRS agents as an example and we know they have used it against Conservative entities (remember Lois Lerner?) I would say an attempt for one party rule is an authoritarian ideal. We have seen it but we're hopefully turning a corner.

    Of course the FBI didn't dot the I's or cross the t's......I remember Peter told his lover in an e-mail "they had an insurance policy against Trump". Well they most certainly did!
     
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    I think a little mayhem is in order, mayhem that results in constitutional governance.

    Those two women understand what constitutional governance is, and they and many others know full well WE AIN'T GOT IT NOW.
     
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    Ludicrous, but the porn idea would be more successful a venture.
     
  18. Alwayssa

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    Where in my post did I say you believed in Christian Nationalism? You made the argument, loosely, that was not a Christian and you were wrong.

    What I did do is argue what Christian Nationalism is. The render unto Caesar unto Caesar, unto God, what is God in Mark 12:17. But it has to do with paying taxes and keeping our faith seperate from the government even though our faith, anyone's faith from any religion, can dictate how we respond.

    Even American Nationalism in a modern context is wrong. It is more on a white, Eurocentric fantasy version of what we think America should be. This means that anyone who does not look, think, or act as you do is not considered a "True American." It is also a form of RW authoritarian populism, which is achieved by disenfranchising all groups that would oppose that policy. So, no thank you either.

    As for the FBI, it had to be done given the fact that Trump and his associated initially refused to say they met with the two Russian Agents or refused to register under FARA. That compounded the problem and why the FBI did what it did. They were just a little eager when it comes to Russia and the Presidency. Of course, if Trump will admit his mistakes every once in a while, especially in this situation, it would not have gone as far as it did.
     
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    .....you're kidding. We were once taught this nation was a melting pot. People came through Ellis Island because they wanted to be American. So out of the corner of your mouth you are putting down the :eurocentric fantasy" our Founders had in mind. Seems you like the "identity politic fantasy" version the left uses to garner power. Perhaps you would prefer a "south American fantasy" of sorts. Then why does everyone want to come here?
    That is exactly why I quoted the words of Jesus here. (of course I didn't give chapter and verse as you so eloquently did) The only reason I brought it up is to ascertain that my faith supersedes any idea of government there fore to call this a Christian Nation would have the effect of diminishing my faith. Has nothing to do with paying taxes or keeping my faith to myself.
     
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    :no: ~ Some people are still on TOP { Trump Obsession Psychosis }
    Maybe Pfizer will develop a vaccine ...
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    Anybody that can imitate Trump should.
     
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    you need to start blaming your own party and man up and stop whining..

    I'm not surprised by this at all. I always saw Tulsi as a very strong candidate to be president one day. I really have liked her. She's a war vert so she understands the horrors of war, she brings diversity to the table. She's an independent thinker and courageous, she's smart and focused on doing right.

    One of the easiest things she could've done in 2020 to increase her chances of getting nomination within dem party was to subscribe to all the leftist extremism regarding open borders, political witchhunts (russia delusion, trash impeachments, DOJ going after conservatives, parents etc..), woke ideology, showing weakness abroad, reparations, anti-police rhetoric and support of crime, horrible energy policies, socialism..... BUT she didn't cave in to the pressures to join in the socialist agenda. She was severely punished for it, the dems started treating her like an outcast, even accused of her of being a Russian spy.

    The problem is not Tulsi, it's the democratic party which i believe should be re-branded the socialist party. It has become so extreme that it's unrecognizable. Back during 60s with JFK, it was a totally different party. JFK was an NRA member, he supported police, he was wary about high taxes, he kept buearacracies in check, he was tough on adversaries, he was moderate and totally against many of the things today's dem party stands for. What has happened to this party is a disgrace, i almost feel they are the anti-American party, wanting to re-shape America, erode it's values and turn into Venezuela like country. They almost come across as foreigners trying to take over America.

    So Tulsi did the right thing. Now she has a chance to being treated with respect, amazing isn't it? The MAGA party is willing to treat her with respect when the dems couldn't? Isn't this utterly unbelievable? MAGA more kind and embracing?

    Perhaps you need to stop going crazy over tweets and silliness and pay attention. MAGA stands for border security, fighting crime and supporting police, no wars but showing strength against enemies (Trump's 4 years were the more peaceful in over 50 years, FACT-we had no wars and enemies feared us), low taxation, keep military strong, ensure there is voter integrity (IDs, more security and better mgmt of mail in ballots), stand proud of being American and support the flag, be a patriot, keep federal government in check and give power to states etc.. Heck, seems like the party JFK would side with over today's extreme socialist dem part which cast aside Tulsi and treated her like a foreign spy. WHAT DON'T YOU GET HERE?
     
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    Like I said, I don't have a problem with her leaving the Democrats, and the Democrats were morons for giving her ****, just like they've been morons for giving Joe Manchin ****. But there's a difference between leaving the Democrats and campaigning for Trump candidates and especially one who is campaigning in part on his stolen election fantasy. That's a step too far for me. The fact that she wasn't far left in her views is exactly why I like her.

    Sure, it'd be nice to have JFK again, but he's dead and that was 60 years ago. We aren't that country anymore, we will never be that country anymore. You can't live in the past, you can only live in the future. Societies evolve and change, especially now in our modern world with worldwide transit and all the inter-connectivity we all have. We are also not a society that is hundreds or thousands of years old and we are far more mixed than other cultures. We have and will continue to evolve differently.
     
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    I like that response. The biggest threat to our Democracy is our "partisan media". I believe they threw the 2020 election in the very least by suppressing Hunter's lap top. ( of course the FBI lied and told the it was Russian Disinformation) Kari Lake was recently asked "what are you doing that other Republicans could imitate to have the success you have". She responded with something like " when the press tries to get cute and lay a trap, we have our own cameras focus on them and then I answer direct with no holds barred"! I've seen this work for her several times.......she got it from Trump! The press's demeanor suddenly changes when they are called out. They crawl back into their hole. That part is never exposed!
     
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    Tell me what are the extreme positions of the maga Republicans have? Free honest and fair elections? Schools should teach kids something useful instead of trying to convince the kids that race hate is good as long as it's directed against caucasians and trying to convince all the kids neutered
    Which in the end is the only result of all this trans crap a generation of people that can't reproduce.
     
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