Well, so much for Tulsi Gabbard

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  1. Alwayssa

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    It still is. I have been to weddings where a Japanese and a Chinese were married here in the US. They are still married and have a couple of kids. However, neither of their parents, who lived int he home country came to the US to attend the wedding. I have known white people marrying Asians, blacks, Latinos, etc. and vice versa. So, yes, it is a melting pot and our traditions from Thanksgiving to Christima to St. Patricks Day to other ethnic celebrations here. The point is, we are a melting pot, always have been, always will be. And that is one of our biggest strengths.

    As for "identity politics," that is fully embraced on your side with efforts to not have people of color to come here. Even you alluded the false myth that the founding fathers were "eurocentric" Only an "American Nationalist" will embrace that myth. Furthermore, I am calling it like I see them and I see a lot of people like you that say you are all for anyone coming here as long as they look, act, and think like you. And that is complete BS.

    If you are a true Christian, then nationalism is against the Bible and Jesus's Teachings, especially from the Sermon on the Mount, the parable of talents, the parable of the good samaritan, who Jesus conversed with in his time from a Roman Centurian to a prostitute, aka Mary Magdalene, to others that the Pharisees and Sadducees did not want to be associated with.
     
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    I agree with you about the press. And I'm wondering if the January 6th thing was orchestrated.

    Will it rain later essentially told everyone to charge into the capital sitting in his ranch Scott free. Perhaps he was there doing that for the FBI.
     
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    ~ We still do not know who Ray Epps really is. Was he working for FBI ..?
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    Maybe if you didn't have such a closed mind you would understand why she left one side and joined the other. Maybe the so called MAGA crowd isn't as bad as Democrats and the media make them out to be. Maybe some of the things they have been talking about are actually true and not misinformation.
     
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    No .. Didn't you hear Trump is a Nazi fascist devil. And he is literally Hitler

     
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    Oh? It's a myth?? Name one Founding Father who was not of European Dissent! I in no way believe Europeans as superior but this is a fact! They had the culture and heritage to design our system of government. Sure there were contributions from the Romans, the Greeks, and even the Iroquois Nation. You don't get to change facts just because you like to denigrate white men.

    If If If.....so now you attack my personal faith. Funny, Satan used that same tactic in the Garden! I don't think you understand much about parables. Previously you stated the "render passage" was about taxes. That is as far as you get. In reality it was a parable about a finite system and an infinite God. I need go no further about "parables".
     
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    What a bigoted thing to say! You judge me. You seem to be one of those people that like to form an "identity" of people and condemn them. Actually, I know a ton of black people, brown people that I would stand alongside of to defend this Nation but....I don't know about you at all!
     
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    repeat
     
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    Anyone who doesn't conform to the Borg Collective is labeled a Russian agent, like they've done with Tulsi. And people wonder why she left the d's and went to the r's. She didn't conform to the Borg Collective so they accused her of being a Russian mole, just as they did with Trump.
     
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    ~ We can predict the next "fake news" media spin — ' Tulsi and Trump Jr. in romantic tryst.' :omfg:' :whisper:
    Just as happened with the Nikki Haley "affair " with Trump himself.
     
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    Yep. Next thing you know they will be partaking in golden showers and Putin will have the video evidence.
     
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    ~ The media ran with that disgusting fabrication first thing. We know who dreams up stuff like that — those who partake in that very behavior. :disbelief:
     
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    Purity spiral
     
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    It is painfully apparent to me all these months later that the Jan 6 event was orchestrated. It served the purposes of the Deep State and the FBI. Ray Epps is but one clue about that.
     
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    The MAGA side is the libertarian side, er, the conservative side. Gabbard, Trump, and Lake, for examples, are libertarians. BTW, Bill Maher and Joe Rogan, for examples, aren't libertarian.
     
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    We agree here

    Simply because the Trump endorsed candidates bring more to the table and have better policies than the leftists. Yes, i would pick Walker, Oz, Masters, Dixon, Lake over the dem candidates. Why? Their policies. I'm for border security, being tough on crime, low taxation, energy independence, stay out of wars but at same time be tough on foreign adversaries, stop brainwashing our kids in schools with racist garbage, less regulations on private sector, strong military etc.. Do you not get that most voters put this in front of tweets and even some candidates saying stupid stuff around election fraud? Yeah, may be tough for you to get but it's rational. Most Americans would weigh effective policies over rhetoric... as i do. What the dems have done effectively is character assassination as they know their policies suck so they have painted all the GOPs as Trump MAGA extremists who are dangerous. That's because the dems have no policy prescriptions, no solutions, basically, their campaigns boil down to 'yeah, we know our policies suck but those MAGA candidate are evil, racists, BAD people'. If you listen to Kari Lake speak on YouTube, she actually seems very reasonable and she Has walked back some of her election result talk. I'd prefer candidates to not go there but I simply don't care about this as on the most important issues, MAGA are on right side.

    There is no reason a JFK like leader cannot rise and win presidency, the country yearns a leader like JFK instead of these socialist extremists. Most Americans are independents or moderate but the radicals have hijacked the parties, especially dem party simply because they are the loud minority keeping the majority shut out. If a moderate dem takes over and fights the corrupt leftists, that person would win in a general election but as you saw with Tulsi, the radicals will seek to destroy anyone like that in the primaries... the radicals want to take control. What we need to be honest is a Trump like leader to take over dem party and do exactly what Trump did to GOP. Trump took on the republicans in primaries and it was bloody... he had the courage to do it. People talk of Trump as some extremist but it's the complete opposite. His policies were moderate - secure border, stand with police, don't get into wars but be tough on adversaries, keep military strong, low taxes, produce energy domestically to become independent, stand proud behind the flag etc... For crying out loud, what is extreme of any of this? It's all common sense, rational, moderate. This is real MAGA. Here's a secret, MAGA never stood for racism or extremism and the dems know it but the dems, to their credit, have done a phenomenal job branding MAGA as somehow bad and extreme because they know the MAGA policies are popular and actually rational, moderate. They have never been able to take on Trump on policies so they colluded with media, foreign agents to brand MAGA as some sort of nazi movement, to great effect... This is how evil politics and media is, they don't care about what's good for country but what's good for them. It's all about power and money.
     
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    Maybe she's a double agent :dual:
     
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    Tulsi's used to opportunist political flipping.
    She did the same thing when back in Hawaii to get to Wash DC in 2012.


    Tulsi Gabbard Doesn’t Really Stand for Anything

    "NO PRINCIPLES, NO PROBLEM"

    And that’s why it makes total sense that the ex-Democrat is the MAGA GOP’s new shining star." :worship:


    Snip:

    'Gabbard is an Iraq War veteran who got elected to Congress in Hawaii as a member of the Bernie wing of the Democratic Party. She rose quickly, but abruptly left her role as vice chair of the DNC in 2016, in a public display of support for Sanders (and against Hillary Clinton). Then, she took a secret four-day trip to Syria in 2017 where she met with Assad (you know, the guy who used chemical weapons on his own civilians). This looked like a deliberate troll of Democratic leadership.

    And in 2019, Gabbard announced she wouldn’t run for re-election, in favor of a quixotic presidential run where she garnered a fraction of 1 percent of support in most state primaries. (Disclosure: My wife previously worked as a consultant for Tulsi’s father, Mike Gabbard. I’ve never met either Gabbard.)

    Failing forward, Gabbard dropped out of the presidential race, became a fan favorite on The Joe Rogan Experience and among his intellectual dark web cohort, and began making frequent appearances on Fox News.

    With no political allegiances to the people who share most of her professed left-wing principles, she’s now openly embracing a party that has historically stood in complete opposition to her past stated beliefs. In that sense, she’s the perfect star for YouTube and podcasts—an ironic right-wing star, a martyr who fled the evil Democrats.

    Tulsi didn’t have to pay her dues or show her conservative credentials—all she had to do is slam her own party. Instant MAGA stardom! :roflol:

    Rather than being a detriment, her status as an “ex-lefty” can now be employed as a cudgel to attack Democrats. It’s an increasingly common trope, where also-rans (and complete nobodies) on the left flip to the other side—and no one on the right ever thinks to ask, “If all of your ideas and allies from three seconds ago are so wrong, why should I trust you or listen to anything you say now?” They don’t cautiously welcome the converts to the back pew, they fully embrace and elevate them to the pulpit.

    Having used her perch in Congress to establish a platform, she is now transitioning into her new role as celebrity influencer. It’s the political version of the Kardashians. And make no mistake, image is everything. Megyn Kelly recently suggested Gabbard should run for president with South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem, saying it would be “the best-looking ticket ever.”

    I couldn't have summed up the Republican Party’s current platform priorities any better. Welcome aboard, Tulsi. You’ll fit right in!"

    cont:
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/tulsi-gabbard-doesnt-really-stand-for-anything
     
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    It is not where the founding fathers came from. They all had different ideas ranging from Deism, those founding fathers who left the Judeo-Christian heritage and became deists. Deists were adherent supporters of the English Enlightenment Period. Some were practicing Christians and supernaturalists. And the biggest group were Christian loyalties but had little to no faith in supernaturalism. They range from conservatives of George Washington and John Adams to the skeptic of James Monroe. In the end, the Constitution was based on three things, the Magna Carta, the philosophy of the Enlightenment Period, and the Iriquis Confederacy as its foundation. And with the English Enlightenment, they did not view themselves as "Euroethnic" in origin. They considered themselves "American" and that meant their community and state, aka the Compact Theory. And in the Enlightenment philosophy, it was not about one's race, nationality, or creed, it was about one's understanding of Enlightenment, a new philosophy that looked away from the form of only government they have known, monarchy, and believed that every individual is endowed by their creator, not the king/queen of the country who gave you those rights out of benevolence. It is why the preamble is important on our beliefs that every person is endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights even though as Americans we constantly fail to live up to that standard as a whole of nation.

    Remember, you were the one who said that you were a Nationalist and by your account, it appears you are proud of it.

    Second, your recollection of the Garden of Eden story in the Book of Genesis, chapter 3 is misleading. Satan did not use that tactic of accusation. If you read Genesis Chapter 3, Satan, in a form of a snake, used temptation to lure the woman to eat the forbidden fruit. Once she ate the fruit, she felt ashamed. So, Satan then convinced her that the shame will go away if she gets Adam to eat the forbidden fruit. And he did base on Eve's convincing. When God appeared again, He knew it was a sin. Since God cannot view or be around sin, he banished them from the Garden of Eden. But this is all allegorical in nature and talks about our curiosity and lack of faith as humans. So, we must rely on God to not be led astray. To further exemplify this, you can take 100 children, put them in a backyard, and tell them they can do anything in the backyard EXCEPT touch that big Oak Tree. If you do, you will die. If you leave and observe in a distance, you would note that some kids will immediately get enough courage to touch that big oak tree. When nothing happens, they tell their friends, who then touch the tree. Those kids will tell their friends and then touch the tree. Eventually, all the kids, given enough time, will touch the tree. And when you come back to the backyard and asked the kids if anyone touches the tree, even though you already know the answer, not one will tell you the truth, will they?

    As for the Mark passage, that is not what it was about. In those days, Caesar was viewed as a god and was required under Roman rule to worship him as a God. Since this was an affront to the Jewish Faith, the Sadducees and Pharisees were trying to Trick Jesus into saying that we should pay taxes to Caesar, hence having Jews worship Caesar as a god. Hence, the Sadducees and Pharisees would tell the people that he is a false prophet because he encourages Jews to pay taxes and worship Caesar by paying taxes. This is their version of "religious liberty" in those days in our modern context. So, Jesus said to Render unto Caesar what is Caesar, a tax with an image of a false god on it, and unto God what is God's, the use of that money to do God's work and will not be viewed as "worshipping a false god." That is the historical context in which Jesus was speaking. And this is further exemplified in the Pauline Letter Galatians 5:22-23 and 1 Peter 2:17 on the importance of Christians and following the laws of the world. Not exactly what is carnate and incarnate.

    https://mises.org/wire/render-unto-...INTRODUCTION,that Jesus endorsed paying taxes.
     
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    I really think you need to reread your posts again and see what you have stated. All I am going is by your posts, nothing more, nothing less.

    For me, I don't believe in book bans. I don't believe in quotas for immigration. I don't believe that some people should have it harder to vote compared to others. Get the idea here. As for defending this nation, I have done it when I have traveled abroad without the luxury and protection of a military uniform in countries like Korea, Japan, or PRC, even on Presidents that I did not even vote for. Can you do the same?
     
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    Yeah that one's strange there's just too much that doesn't add up
     
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    ~ It appears that Ray Epps is another Christopher Steel ... :|'
     
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    Tulsi stands for the US Constitution and its principles. She may be the only person in Washington DC who does that.

    She stands for principle. You seem to stand for deception and military aggression.
     
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    Gabbard offers up NO solutiions,just right wing bullshit lingo and is now campaigning for some sicko conspiracy Republicans.
    She's all for "military agression" as long as she can cherry-pick who to invade/war with.

    Since camapigning to get voted into the US House Gabbard has been and remains an opportunist and a political w h o r e .
    It's you that knows zilch about her political career and you obviously believe that Trump has "principles" and stands for the "Constitution" too. LOL
     

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