Where Progressives are going with the statue removals

Everyone agree that this one should remain?

 

I say give it as a gift to Israel. Its really a Jewish monument anyway.

 

This whole oppression narrative is so overblown.

 

There’s No Such Thing as Judeo-Christian Values
The label “Judeo-Christian” tends to assume, at the expense of Judaism, that Christians and Jews believe essentially the same things.

http://www.jewishpress.com/blogs/yo...h-thing-as-judeo-christian-values/2013/12/26/

 

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That may be what Antifa and the BLM claim they are about, however, their actions say differently. They attack people that gather to protest peacefully and as has been seen everyday people walking down the street. Conservative protesters are not paid to assemble whereas according to what Robert Creamer and Scott Foval have said they are paid to commit their mayhem.

 

I don't know, man. That statue is pretty white, plus there are white stripes in that flag, and the red stripes remind me of Republicans who bash gays and other minorities.

No, we'd better demolish the statue and burn the flag. Or just bury it -- burning increases global warming.

 

It is a Roman goddess, but she might be gay for all we know, so there should not be any objection by LGBT. Don't know why the Confederate flag poster finds it objectionable other than possibly that the idea for a statue of liberty was 1st proposed by Édouard René de Laboulaye:

According to the National Park Service, the idea for the Statue of Liberty was first proposed by Édouard René de Laboulaye the president of the French Anti-Slavery Society and a prominent and important political thinker of his time. The project is traced to a mid-1865 conversation between Édouard René de Laboulaye, a staunch abolitionist and Frédéric Bartholdi, a sculptor. In after-dinner conversation at his home near Versailles, Laboulaye, an ardent supporter of the Union in the American Civil War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty

 

Dear god drop the word Nazi for petes sake, the amount of them in the country is minuscule compared to the amount of people you are claiming to be so.

If you continue to do this Trump will win again

 

Again, give the statue to Israel. They can take the hungry, the tired, the poor immigrant Muslim, black, Indian, and Asian masses into their wonderful land.

 

LOL! Better grab a dictionary dear:

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/judeo-christian

 

First the statute of Liberty has a patina of green.

White signifies purity and innocence, Red, bravery & valor, and Blue, the color of the Chief, and the placement of the broad band signifies, vigilance, perseverance & justice. The stripes on the flag were to represent the 13 states and thirteen white stars in a blue field representing a new constellation symbolized their union.

Source: http://www.sensationalcolor.com/col...merican-flag-red-white-blue-2280#.WaYBvrpFw5s

 

I agree with Guno on this. Before in history books they use to write that America was founded on "Christian" principles until the Jews complained to change it to "Judeo-Christian" as if the Jews had something to do with the founding of the United States. Its a LIE.

 

It does not mean the US was founded by Jewish people. Do you understand the word "priniciples"? This means ideas.

 

It's a true narrative. Look at how often righties mock transgender and gay people, for instance.

If you want to discuss "overblown narrative," then look no further than FOX's annual reporting on the "War On Christmas." Lol.

 

America was founded on secular humanist principles of the Enlightenment.

 

Conservatives are nothing more than fascists who adorn themselves in the American flag.

 

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I suggest that you find out who the first Christian was and his religious ideology. I understand that Jesus Christ could trace his lineage to the House of David.

 

nope

The Messiah and the Lineage of Jesus

http://www.jewishanswers.org/ask-th...udaism/the-messiah/who-is-the-messiah/?p=1063

Why Jesus Is Not The Jewish Messiah

http://jewsforjudaism.ca/why-jesus-is-not-the-jewish-messiah/

http://www.debunking-christianity.com/2007/09/jesus-was-not-from-lineage-of-david.html

your jesus father was a Roman soldier

https://robinhl.com/2011/11/06/jesus-son-of-pantera/

http://www.simchajtv.com/jesus-biological-father/

 

Being mocked = oppression? Are you going to pass a law prohibiting people from mocking others? How much are white nationalists mocked by the left?

This is irrelevant.

 

That's even if Jesus even existed and if you believe the religious hogwash that is the bible.

 

Yep.

 

Yes, I agree. I was tired when I wrote my post. What I meant is that its politically correct to say Judeo-Christian because it takes credit away from Christians for any of their accomplishments.

 

Oh, I understand your point. Funny how much America will bend over backwards to keep from hurting someone's feelings.

 

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There are independent historical records and accounts of the death of Jesus. The following sources have been proven.

Hostile Non-Biblical Pagan Accounts
There are a number of ancient classical accounts of Jesus from pagan, non-Christian sources. These accounts are generally hostile to Christianity; some ancient authors denied the miraculous nature of Jesus and the events surrounding His life:

Thallus (52AD)
Thallus is perhaps the earliest secular writer to mention Jesus and he is so ancient his writings don’t even exist anymore. But Julius Africanus, writing around 221AD does quote Thallus who previously tried to explain away the darkness occurring at Jesus’ crucifixion:

“On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun.” (Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18:1)​

If only more of Thallus’ record could be found, we might find more confirmation of Jesus’ crucifixion. But there are some things we can conclude from this account: Jesus lived, He was crucified, and there was an earthquake and darkness at the point of His crucifixion.​

Tacitus (56-120AD)
Cornelius Tacitus was known for his analysis and examination of historical documents and is among the most trusted of ancient historians. He was a senator under Emperor Vespasian and was also proconsul of Asia. In his “Annals’ of 116AD, he describes Emperor Nero’s response to the great fire in Rome and Nero’s claim that the Christians were to blame:

“Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.”​

In this account, Tacitus confirms several historical elements of the Biblical narrative: Jesus lived in Judea, was crucified under Pontius Pilate, and had followers who were persecuted for their faith in Christ.

Mara Bar-Serapion (70AD)
Sometime after 70AD, a Syrian philosopher named Mara Bar-Serapion, writing to encourage his son, compared the life and persecution of Jesus with that of other philosophers who were persecuted for their ideas. The fact Jesus is known to be a real person with this kind of influence is important. Mara Bar-Serapion refers to Jesus as the “Wise King”:

“What benefit did the Athenians obtain by putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as judgment for their crime. Or, the people of Samos for burning Pythagoras? In one moment their country was covered with sand. Or the Jews by murdering their wise king?…After that their kingdom was abolished. God rightly avenged these men…The wise king…Lived on in the teachings he enacted.”​

From this account, we can add to our understanding of Jesus: He was a wise and influential man who died for His beliefs. The Jewish leadership was somehow responsible for Jesus’ death. Jesus’ followers adopted His beliefs and lived their lives accordingly.

Phlegon (80-140AD)
In a manner similar to Thallus, Julius Africanus also mentions a historian named Phlegon who wrote a chronicle of history around 140AD. In this history, Phlegon also mentions the darkness surrounding the crucifixion in an effort to explain it:

“Phlegon records that, in the time of Tiberius Caesar, at full moon, there was a full eclipse of the sun from the sixth to the ninth hour.” (Africanus, Chronography, 18:1)​

Phlegon is also mentioned by Origen (an early church theologian and scholar, born in Alexandria):

“Now Phlegon, in the thirteenth or fourteenth book, I think, of his Chronicles, not only ascribed to Jesus a knowledge of future events . . . but also testified that the result corresponded to His predictions.” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 14)​

“And with regard to the eclipse in the time of Tiberius Caesar, in whose reign Jesus appears to have been crucified, and the great earthquakes which then took place … ” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 33)

“Jesus, while alive, was of no assistance to himself, but that he arose after death, and exhibited the marks of his punishment, and showed how his hands had been pierced by nails.” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 59)​

From these accounts, we can add something to our understanding: Jesus had the ability to accurately predict the future, was crucified under the reign of Tiberius Caesar and demonstrated His wounds after he was resurrected.

Pliny the Younger (61-113AD)
Early Christians were also described in early, non-Christian history. Pliny the Younger, in a letter to the Roman emperor Trajan, describes the lifestyles of early Christians:

“They (the Christians) were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food—but food of an ordinary and innocent kind.”​

This early description of the first Christians documents several facts: the first Christians believed Jesus was GOD, the first Christians upheld a high moral code, and these early followers met regularly to worship Jesus.

Source: http://coldcasechristianity.com/2014/is-there-any-evidence-for-jesus-outside-the-bible/