While We Were Still Enemies, Jesus Died for Us

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  1. Zorro

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    Seek the Author of Life with all your heart and ask that question of the Author.
     
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    Excellent analysis and point, Epicurus was logically sound.
     
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    Evil is to good as cold is to heat. Evil is nothing but the absence of good, the existence of one implies, even necessitates, the existence of the other.

    "When my father was with the white men hunting he heard them say *******n the wet gunpowder and he asked them why they said that. They told him they wanted to send the powder to Hell, which was a place where all things burn forever. But why would they want to send wet powder there, which would not burn. It makes no sense. My father told me not to use that phrase, that it was another white mans lie"

    From "The Return"
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    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    That makes zero sense!

    Are you one of the good Christians who says that those that carry out abortions, those that are atheists, those that vote Democrat and those that are Muslim deserve to die?
     
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    It's your claim, support it.

    I know of no one more deserving of death than me, but then, I know myself better than anyone else does.
     
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    Good thing none of that is true.
     
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    Some people need their imaginary Sky Daddy. ;-)
     
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    This does NOT describe A loving God whose children we are. It's true Jesus died for ALL of ALL of our sins, so many and, some, so heinous that he sweat blood as he saw them and atoned for them in Gethsemane. But our God, the loving God that put us here, to learn and become perfect, sent our, perfect, brother Jesus to to reunite ALL of us to him. He never thought of us as an enemy. Wayward children that need his help, yes, but not enemies.

    Coming from such a ridged doctrine, ts no wonder that evangelicals are so dictatorial, authoritarian and severe.
     
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    This works for me.

    Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.
    Marcus Aurelius
     
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    Cheat sheet.
    Image11.jpg
     
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    I have to prime the pump, right?
     
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    If you seek, you will find, when you seek with all your heart.
     
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    yes, if God tells himself he can't forgive man unless they murder his Son, seem reasonable
     
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    Why? Don't you think people have already asked?

    And does he email back or phone?
     
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    Which god do you speak of? There are thousands of gods so just curious which one you were indoctrinated to worship.
     
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    the Sun God is real, you can see him, even feel his power on your skin if you walk out in his light - without him, all life on earth would die :razz:
     
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    Fake News.
    1. Jesus restrained Himself and allowed himself to be killed, and in the process took responsibility for every sin that had been committed or ever would be committed, and specifically and immediately forgave those that killed him.
    2. Humans acting in accordance with their own free will killed the Author of Life
    3. He took back up his life and now his sacrifice is available as full payment for the sins of anyone who requests this grace.
     
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    the story says as Jesus was being murdered, he said "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

    then again, we have this, so was he killed, can God's be killed?

    "1500 Year-Old Bible Found In Turkey Is Stirring Up Controversy About Christianity"

    https://www.sunnyskyz.com/good-news...Is-Stirring-Up-Controversy-About-Christianity

    ""Much to the dismay of the Vatican, an approx. 1500-2000 year old bible was found in Turkey, in the Ethnography Museum of Ankara. Discovered and kept secret in the year 2000, the book contains the Gospel of Barnabas – a disciple of Christ – which shows that Jesus was not crucified, nor was he the son of God, but a Prophet. The book also calls Apostle Paul "The Impostor". The book also claims that Jesus ascended to heaven alive, and that Judas Iscariot was crucified in his place."
     
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    I am being watched. I had a news article from the Christian Headlines by one of their regular reporters reporting on the Christ centered ads being done by Hobby Lobby this Christmas season deleted as if Christian Headlines was supposedly advertising for them in its news article. Christian Headlines, Charisma News, The Blaze, and other news sources covered this story and none of them nor me were advertising for anyone.
     
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    He was sweating blood in anticipation of this brief separation, the Trinity has been communion for all of eternity, and the cry was followed by Jesus comending His Spirit to the Father.
    Yes. And to make this perfectly clear in the Apostle's Creed of the Apostles it very clearly states that while dead, that Jesus descended to where the dead go.

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    I know nothing of this other than the supplied link which notes that this is single sourced and uncorroborated. I've read previously that this non-canonical bible closely tracks the beliefs of Islam.

    These are decisions each must make for themselves after studying the evidence, seeking insight, and engaging in self-examination.
     
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    The world was not created as it is now. Adam and Eve sinned and every human being that came from them, all of us are as well.
     
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    What claim? Support what?
     
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    It's up to you to follow your own point. I included all of your post in my response.
     
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    "While We Were Still Enemies, Jesus Died for Us"

    so the myth goes anyways
     
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    I did not make any claims. Seems like you did not bother to read the OP
     
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