Why are 1,500 Americans still dying from COVID every week?

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  1. Bowerbird

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    Your interpretation
     
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    Really? Explain it then because I see them as essentially the same. And these “definitions” changed NOTHING in the medical texts or in other countries
     
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    Pre September 2021

    A product that stimulates a person's immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.

    Changed to

    A preparation that is used to stimulate the body's immune response against diseases.

    You are a post modernist. You cannot see the very real difference. They took out the requirement that vaccines produce "immunity to a specific disease" AND the requirement that vaccines are "protecting the person from that disease". in exchange for a stimulated immunity response against "diseases" in general. I could argue that vitamin D3 shot is a COVID "vaccine" under that definition.

    And I know nothing of changes to "medical texts" in general, BUT the CDC emergency approval of a COVID "vaccine" would need to follow the CDC definition of a "vaccine". Phizers marketing of COVID vaccines in the US would need to follow the CDC's definition of "vaccine"
     
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    Bunkum! First you would have to outline the ole of D3 in the immune response and since you referred earlier to a vaccine being like a condom” it’s an explanation I cannot wait to see.

    Now how did this “change in definition” materially affect the schedule of administration, medical use of vaccines or anything other than some whacky conspiracy theory
     
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    Not everyone is as lucky as you are. There is no need to chastise those that get the shots.
     
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    When I see healthy young people and kids walking around with masks, I think the reverse programming is necessary or else we are just adding to this with mental disease.
     
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    First thing found on google in 5 seconds-
    This review aims to summarize the research on the use of vitamin D for COVID‐19 treatment and prevention. Vitamin D supplementation has now become an efficient option to boost the immune response for all ages in preventing the spread of infection. Vitamin D is an immunomodulator that treats infected lung tissue by improving innate and adaptive immune responses and downregulating the inflammatory cascades.
    Vitamin D—A prominent immunomodulator to prevent COVID‐19 infection - PMC (nih.gov)

    AND I was responding to someone claiming that vaccines arent like a condom, because like condoms, vaccines for small pox, polio and the measles are 90 something% effective against those diseases. Unlike COVID vaccines

    ?????? They can call the COVID shot a vaccine. They couldnt legitimately do so under the old definition.
    And WHAT "whacky conspiracy theory" are you referring to? The CDC changing the definition is FACT
     
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    Lols! Did you READ it?? And lets us start with where your body normally gets vitamin D3. I will use Wiki as it has nice simple to understand descriptions for the non medically trained

    Now where in that research paper does it say “go stand in the sun” lols! Also sunlight does destroy viruses - quite effectively. Seems your best protection will be to avoid crowds whilst standing in the sun! :p.

    But I am now going to tutor you in one of the first steps in how to read research. Like all texts - check for weasel words

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9874620/

    Other than that it is a reasonable research paper
     
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    Or they may be immune compromised - have you thought of that?
     
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    Okay since apparently you have an advanced degrees in epidemiology and immunology - in what way are the vaccines NOT vaccines? (And I realise I am asking someone who apparently thinks all vaccines give lifetime immunity). The wacky conspiracy theory is that there is anything nefarious in a change of a descriptor
     
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    ???? No, I can read the definition before the change and after and comprehend the plain meaning of both. And lived 63 years without even once catching small pox, polio and the measles.


    They no longer produce "immunity to a specific disease" AND they are no longer "protecting the person from that disease". LIKE i SAID
     
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    the 3rd person you purposely avoided, of course.
     
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    I suspect you are trying to make a relevant point, but I cant imagine what it would be. I said nothing of "standing in the sun", and quoted the relevant part. Vitamin D is "an efficient option to boost the immune response". Just as the purpose of the new vaccines intended to "stimulate the body's immune response"
     
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    Yes it does improve your immunity so does a good diet and exercise and……

    ((Sigh)). You really have no idea how vaccines work do you? The immune system is very very complex. My I suggest that you look up “antigen versus antibody”
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3068582/
     
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    Yeah. One could argue that diet and exercise is a "Vaccine" against Covid under the new definition. You are demonstrating my point.
     
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    I quoted them. No need for an interpretation.
     
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    Some people think the pandemic was a staged conspiracy and everyone around the world lied about it.

    I can't help you with that, and that's really not the topic anyway.

    Also, whether the deaths are 100% caused by Covid, or if Covid was a "contributing factor" is also irrelevant. If the patient would have survived if Covid did not contribute, then its fair to say Covid is the cause of the additional 1500 weekly deaths.

    If you have to twist everything in to partisan blame game, then so be it. Whatever gets you through the night.

    Yes, vast majority of the Covid related deaths are elderly with other health issues, but the thing is that they would not be checking-out yet if it wasn't for Covid.
     
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    They aren't.
     
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    But......do you see that?

    This topic is about 1500 extra American weekly deaths due to Covid, and as was stated in the OP, there is not government action expected, so we'll just have to accept it as a fact of life. There is one more way to die these days, and it might affect the life expectancy stats.
     
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    To call it a conspiracy is nonsense. It was just government covering its behind and dragging the rest of the world along.

    Fair point but we don't know how many would have died without covid. To what are the "additional" deaths compared. History? How about deaths of people not testing positive? Are they not "additional?"

    I hate being called partisan because I actually hate political parties. I am a critic of federal government incompetence and corruption. I'm a critic of government incompetence and corruption at the state and local level as well. But the state and local level, are, at least, closer to the public and subject to competition from other states.

    You said it above and I call it an opinion, not a fact.
     
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    I wasn't affected by the warnings, luckily. There are too many other things to capture my attention. I'm not a doctor but I do have a zoology education and a lot of interest in medicine. It looked like government CYA from day one. I got the first round of vaccinations, though. By the time the second round occurred, the virus had already reduced in gravity from natural selection as I knew it would so I moved on ignoring the whole thing. So how does it feel to be an old man? I'm even older than you and I'm cooking along pretty well.
     
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    Of course. I don't think it should have been done. I was just explaining why I think the numbers are probably greatly overstated. I just think government should have been straight with people from the outset. Even now that the pandemic is endemic they still can't tell it like it is.
     

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