Why are 1,500 Americans still dying from COVID every week?

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    huh, you think those vaccines repel the those viruses from your body like a Condom?

    all vaccines are to try and teach your immune system to recognize the virus if you do get it
     
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    Condoms are 87% effective. Those vaccines probably have a HIGHER rate of effectiveness than condoms

    The small pox, polio and measles vaccines must "try" harder and are way more effective than the COVID vaccine. The Covid vaccine "stimulate the body's immune response against diseases" while the small pox, polio and measles vaccines "produce immunity to a specific disease" "protecting the person from that disease".
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the vaccine is long gone from the body shortly after it's injected, it's all on your immune system when a virus actually attacks
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    I never claimed otherwise. Not sure of the relevance of your point.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so then you know it's up to your immune system at that point, and it's strengths and limitations - all the vaccine does is try to teach your immune system to recognize the virus
     
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    No it isn't unfortunately .. and the immune response from the mRNA treatment is nothing close to that of a real vaccine.
     
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    Vaccines stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases. The measles vaccine stimulates the body’s immune response against the virus that causes measles, the polio vaccine stimulates the body’s immune response against the virus that causes polio, and the covid vaccine stimulates the body’s immune response the virus (SARS-CoV-2) that causes the covid-19.

    What other diseases does the covid vaccine protect against according to you?
     
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    But those vaccines "produce immunity to a specific disease" "protecting the person from that disease", while the Covid vaccine does not. .
     
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    What do you think immunity Is?
     
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    especially : having a high degree of resistance to a disease

    Like I have with small pox, polio and measles. Which I do not have with the covid vaccine that merely stimulates my immune system
     
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    Isn't that the new definition? The one introduced during the Scamdemic?

    Here is a definition from a 1984 Webster: A suspension of attenuated or killed microorganisms, as of viruses or bacteria, incapable of inducing severe infection but capable when inoculated of counteracting the unmodified species.
     
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    No thats the old definition, the new

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    We traded "produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease", and got "stimulate the body's immune response against diseases" instead under the new definition.

    Thats like the small pax, polio and measles vaccines that actually work. They combat these genetically modified in a lab diseases with genetically modified in a lab vaccines.
     
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    I just showed you a definition from 1984 dictionary, but you reject it. Play honest Dixon. You showed a new definition, likely the one from CDC to support the false narrative regarding the shots.
     
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    I made no comment upon your 84 dictionary definition. But will point out now that the COVID vaccine doesnt meet your dictionary definition.

    ???? No, you asked "Isn't that the new definition?" I pointed out that it was instead the old definition and provided you the new definition.
     
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    Good question .. and I think Dixon gave a reasonable answer

    What do you think it is ?
    True .. while the covid vax produces an immune response .. to a specific disease .. that response did not offer the protection that that these other vaccine's produced .. which was to a specific disease ... nor that of the normal flu vax .. the flu a non specific disease in a different category.

    Then .. we must include that not all immune responses are equal .. such that the covid Jab did not given anywhere near the immune response of a normal vax .. where your immune system is exposed to a small bit of the bug in question .. producing a complete immune response .. your body producing some 30 plus different spike proteins.

    The mRNA -experimental nano particle bots don't produce that kind of immune response .. what they do is the first cell they come into contact with to produce a single spike protein Perhaps we will get better in the future but for now it was only one. The daily routine of that cell is disrupted .. and it is given some new instructions - to produce this spike protein .. which is one (1) .. not 30 of the defenders in a "Proper" immune response .. the one that shuts down the ability of the disease to infect and transmit from one person to another.

    The mRNA jab didn't do any of that .. we can quibble over definitions but the way we were sold this product was that it prevented transmission .. thus .. the unJabbed were "Unclean". This thing didn't touch transmission .. the unvaxed not significantly different than the Jabbed. .. nor did it offer protection from disease .. except in folks already so immuno compromised .. essentially lacking any immune system .. that that one spike protein was a whole lot better than nothing. No protection was offered for healthy people .. and these folks were not at risk .. and thus not in need of protection in the first place. Covid was highly selective .. Really unhealthy people who are old and morbidly obese and ready to day any week to begin with .. Omicron was less risk of harm to a healthy person than a normal flu.
     
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    Ive often wondered why they dont simultaneously develop inactivated or attenuated vaccines, for COVID. Pharma companies afraid of long lasting or even life long immunity from vaccines? One shot and done isnt good for the business model?
     
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    Interesting point .. would not surprise in the slightest. Roger Daltry from "The WHO" promoed concerts to raise funds for cancer for years .. said he doesn't think they are trying to find a cure .. just want to keep treating the symptoms ... never ending gravy train.
     
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    All these commercials for weight loss, like Ozempic, with smiling customers proclaiming their loyalty for their entire life to take Ozempic, really creeps me out.
    Or how about those drugs to stop uncontrolled twitching caused by many psychological drugs. A drug so that you can take another drug without the side effect of uncontrollable twitching. And just to boot, one of the possible side effects of the drug to stop uncontrolled twitching, is uncontrolled twitching.
     
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    The bioweapons produced by Pfizer for DoD are NOT vaccines in the traditional sense. Isn't that the point? As Orwell noted, "first corrupt the language. What follows naturally is corruption of the thought processes"

    That has worked beautifully in the Scamdemic. The vast majority of US citizens are medically/scientifically illiterate. They don't know a vaccine from a bioweapon, but pontificate endlessly no matter.

    When everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts.
     
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    "Scamdemic" - In my region .. Covid deaths were double the annual average from flu/pneumonia (and yes folks - there is a reason you put these two together .. thus if someone is not .. and just telling you influenza deaths ..they may be speaking falsely)

    So .. flu/pneumonia is 20/100,000 deaths per year on average -- during Covid was 40/100,000. and now you see how statistics can be used to misinform.. "Double" or "100% increase" sounds like a whole lot of death .. when tied to the word Pandemic but, it turns out to be bugger all.

    Going through a list of the top 10 pandemics Justinian Plague kills 26% of the world.. Black death was 30%

    30% = 30,000 per 100,000 40/100,000 would be 0.004% .. when normally it is 0.002%

    And as it turns out those deaths were focused on a very select group of very unhealthy immune compromised people -- the vast majority who are ready to go at a moments notice with rare exception .. and so for the average person in moderate health the risk of harm was lower than for a normal flu.

    Now .. to be a "Pandemic" all one really needs is something that spreads quickly through a population but, this tells us nothing about how dangerous an deadly. ..

    YET - People hear the word Pandemic and they will believe there is a high danger.. and the health authorities know this .. yet instead of pacifying the populace giving them this information "You have nothing to worry about" the did the reverse and pretended this was a real deal highly dangerous pandemic . .when in reality it was nothing of the sort.
     
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    What's really interesting is that when Trump is president, Democrats want to lock down the country and take people's rights away, firing them from their jobs for not being vaccinated and forcing them to show their papers in order to buy groceries but when Biden is president, the left don't want to do any of these same things.
     

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