Why are 1,500 Americans still dying from COVID every week?

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  1. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    Let's just agree that we disagre and move on. Best of luck. Stay healthy.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    To you as well but my efforts will not include these COVID vaccines pushed by the "medical community" given "emergency" approval without the regular safeguards of testing for efficacy and safety and sold by Pharma only because they were granted complete immunity from any lawsuits for damages to patients.
     
  3. Bill Carson

    Bill Carson Well-Known Member

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    Nope, and nope to the small print as well.

    The polio vaccine is a vaccine. The covid vaccine is horseshit. It doesn't work.
     
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    It’s ok my personal belief in relation to anti-vaccine rubbish is that it is simply evolution in action
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    Australia our current death rate is 0.093 per 100 people

    https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-cov...es-to-be-a-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-u-s/

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  5. MiaBleu

    MiaBleu Well-Known Member

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    It is curious that the Anti vaxxers , not only know better than the medical community, they seem to know better than any science associated with the subject/

    No one said vaccines would stop all cases. But ii has prevented those serious enough to cause death. It is unrealistic to expect absolutes in any situation.

    The issue is not that they might get it.(their choice)..........., the issue is that hey will infect others who are innocent victims by being around them. And that is irresponsible.
     
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    Never got vaccinated. I've had COVID twice, and it didn't bother me in the least. My wife got it because she's a dentist and felt it was necessary, but she hasn't bothered with boosters. Neither of our kids have it, but they would have if the schools required it. It was never a political decision. We've all had it. The disease is a joke.

    The president of the United States said just that.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    I dont think China intended for their creation of such a virus to be a joke.
     
  8. MiaBleu

    MiaBleu Well-Known Member

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    Who in his /her right mind takes MEDICAL advice from a politician.???
     
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  9. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Is the flu jab that has been administered for decades a vaccine?
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Some credulous folks still do not realize they were fooled during the Scamdemic. They do not realize the testing protocols, and the tests themselves, were an essential tool for the deception.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Then why did the excess deaths start before the vaccines? And why have the nutjob conspiracy theorists failed to provide any actual evidence that the vaccines are the cause?
     
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    That politician tried to force every working American to get the vaccine, but let's hear from a medical professional.

    “It’s as simple as black and white. You’re vaccinated, you’re safe. You’re unvaccinated, you’re at risk. Simple as that,” - Anthony Fauci.

    Maybe. We ultimately shut down our entire economy for a disease that was not much of a threat to anyone, and the risks could have been easily mitigated by those for whom it represented a risk.

    A highly virulent disease kills everyone before it gets a chance to spread far. That's why Ebola outbreaks kill far fewer people.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good post .. Fauci is a lying scum-bucket who should be in Jail .. rather than earning his pension.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Excess deaths had a significant increase after the Jab was my understanding .. so what ever increase you are talking about . .this would be on top of that. What is this nut-job conspiracy you are talking about .. that people are trying to convince you that these excess deaths came from the Jab ? studies showing an increase in excess deaths is not a conspiracy friend .. speculating that given no other explanation .. likely cause was the Jab .. is not a conspiracy either .. it is speculation on the data.

    I don't think your understand what a conspiracy is or much about them .. and if we are talking about conspiracies involving propaganda .. like the many that propped up during covid - seems you may really be off the trail.

    The thing about propaganda is that it involves a lie - a falsehood of some kind - a misrepresentation or distortion of the Truth .. then some plan for wide dissemination of the lie by a number of individuals or institutions working together in a concerted effort to engineer consent among the sheeple.

    The lies I can think of that might qualify would be 1) vax prevented transmission to significant degree 2) the Lie that Covid likely did not come from the Lab 3) that the Jab was extremely safe .. and that it had significant effect in healthy people vs relative risk of harm.

    Those would be some of the big Lies and conspiracy candidates.. certainly 1) is 100% qualified .. Biden and Madow Peddling that falsehood .. censoring social media content that disagreed .. with this and numerous other lies .

    2) The Fauci Lie .. big time conspiracy -- telling folks that the Lab Leak Theory was "Conspiracy Theory". Funny how those engaged in conspiracy demonize the thing they are lying about as conspiracy :)

    3) all kinds of complicity on the part of the Gov't .. Health institutions .. Medical Collage .. Universities .. complicit in Bad Science .. Propaganda and Logical Fallacy. Our leaders knew prior to release of the vax that the SAR was 1 in 800 "Severe Adverse Reaction" .. Now in the Beginning .. when we did not know how toxic this virus was you might be able to make a case for the risk of harm from Jab being lower than the Vax .. but by the time we got into Delta we knew that the toxicity of this virus to the average healthy person was low.. and when Omicron came round was ridiculously low .. much lower than average flu .. which is a good thing because it was super contageous ... as many as 60% of populations getting it over a 2 month period .. which is beyond ridiculously high in terms of contageon . .. great for natural immunity though. .. everyone was essentially vaxed whether they wanted to be or not.

    but I digress .. the lie was that the risk of harm from the Jab was low relative to the risk of harm from facing covid unvaxed for the average healthy person.. such that certain demographics should have been advised not to take the Jab. .. and I suppose we could consider this a continuing lie .. which really sucks.
     
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    If you had tried doing a few seconds of research, you'd know that the excess deaths increased BEFORE the vaccination and that your conspiracy theory is the dumbest garbage we've seen in decades.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I did not state excess deaths did not increase prior to the Jab. This does not change the fact that excess deaths increased on top of this.. after the Jab ... and this fact is neither dumb .. nor wild conspiracy garbage .. like the stuff you have been peddling .. throughout the pandemic .. like a good True Blue collectivist cancel culture soldier .. peddling not only the dumbest as you say, but some of the most dangerous garbage we have seen in decades.

    Excess deaths increased after the mass Jabbing .. whether this is attributable to covid or not is another story...and perhaps fodder for some conspiracy .. but not the simple reality that excess deaths increased after the Mass Jabbing. You have got the conspiracy cart before the horse friend .. got things all upside down and backwards .. as is common for the cancel cult.
     
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    Depends on what you mean by "work". I'm starting to think it is working, for whatever nefarious purposes our white labcoat masters intended.
     
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  18. dixon76710

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    Im anti vaccines that are given "emergency approval" without the regular testing and only sold by Pharma after being granted total immunity to lawsuits for damages. I do believe the COVID vaccine is the only such vaccine being used in the US. What "anti vaccine rubbish"?
    And I support vaccines that meet the pre September 2021 CDC definition of vaccines.
     
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    Lols! Australia had far stricter vaccine mandates than the USA and our death rates are far far lower

    As I said - evolution in action
     
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    Everywhere? Because that did not happen here
     
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    Australia's death rate was lower than the United States' before there was a vaccine. Australians were dumb enough to accept a Soviet style ban on leaving the country, and now your government knows the extent of the restrictions they can place on you. Citizens of my state would never allow their government to force such a limitation on them. We put up with not being allowed to go to restaurants or the gym for less than two months. There's a reason my state could buy your whole country's tiny economy.

    We were lied to, and when some Americans started questioning why they were getting COVID after being vaccinated there was no choice but to change the definition of vaccine.
     
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    I would suspect that both climate and population density/urbanization likely have more to do with our differences in death rates than vaccination rates.
     
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    Or politicized government. Pay attention to private sector doctors. They actually practice medicine.
     
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    Duped we were .. fed state sponsored propaganda .. The Brown Shirts .. showing up at the social media giants .. ordering compliance .. which was quickly and totally given.. Later on .. forced medical treatment .. "Jab or Job" a collectivist Krystal Night .. demonizing the dissenters as "Unclean" .. an infection on society.

    Initially this special treatment -- violation of essential liberty -- your body not your choice --- was justified on the basis of stopping the spread of this Horrible Pandemic.. and I am sure they hoped this experimental treatment would work like a proper vax .. and do just that. .. Unfortunately .. shortly after the Jab was released .. we found out that it did not perform as promised .. giving no significant transmission reduction vs the Unclean-UnJabbed. ..

    and 2) nor was this such a "Horrible Pandemic" ended up killing 40 per 100,000 in civilized parts of the world ~ 80% Jabbed. Now a normal year we have 20 per 100,000 due to flu -pneumonia .. so this was double an average year .. but its still only 40 per 100,000 .. folks that were ready to die for the most part .. just a little further away than normal. It wasn't like "The Plague" taking out 50% of populations .. not mattering the age or health. A normal healthy person had less chance than a normal flu season of being taken.

    Shortly after the Jabbing began in the US we had the Massachusetts study. ..

    CDC: 74% Of People Infected in Massachusetts COVID-19 Outbreak Were Vaccinated
    https://www.verywellhealth.com/cdc-report-vaccinated-breakthrough-infections-5195483

    So .. no prevention of transmission . nor lessening of disease severity 80 of those hitting the hospital were jabbed .. roughly same rate as vaxed. This was in July 2021 .. as Jabbing was getting rolled out en mass.

    The rational and justification for forced vaccination was gone . no reason to restrict the movement .. the employment of the unJabbed over the Jabbed .. no justification for the mandate .. yet the suspension of essential liberty and demonization of the "Unclean" went on for over a year after .. in some cases longer .. Can you work for the Military without the Jab ? did they re-instate all those who were rounded up in the Krystal Nacht ?

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    Not sure about Everywhere .. the UK for sure. How do you know it did not happen "there" .. ?
     

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