Why are 1,500 Americans still dying from COVID every week?

I do have some knowledge in this area so I will chime in. Vaccines don't prevent infection by a pathogen. They stimulate the immune system to develop antibodies to the pathogen they are designed to address. It is anti-bodies that deal with the infection. Few vaccines are for life. Small pox, polio, measles and other pathogens became rare because of the vaccines.

A person vaccinated as a child would likely have to develop their own antibodies as an adult to clear an infection. Our immune systems all do that but perhaps not fast enough to prevent the symptoms of the disease. The advantage of the vaccine is that we develop antibodies before infection rather than after so symptoms are decreased or eliminated. In other words we have a better chance of our immune system winning its war against the infection. While we don't vaccinate for these types of pathogens much any longer the reason is not lifetime vaccine efficacy. It is rarity of the disease.

I do agree that dissatisfaction with one's gender doesn't change it. Nothing can change it.

 

The Italian government? That's where is started. If your claim was right it would be a conspiracy.

Yes, history. Same with the pandemic, when mortality increased 20%

That wasn't a response to you, but to FatBack who started to make it about political parties.

 

I have very little knowledge on the topic but I can read AND understand the meaning of words.

How long does artificial active immunity last?
Active immunity is long-lasting, and sometimes life-long.
Types of Immunity to a Disease | CDC

Active immunization occurs with the exposure of an unimmunized individual to a pathogenic agent. The immune system of this individual then begins the process of developing immunity to this agent. In contrast to passive immunization, active immunization typically produces long-term immunity due to the stimulation of the individual's immune system. The process of stimulating the immune system against a pathogenic agent will be further discussed in this article.[9]
Fundamentals of Vaccine Immunology - PMC (nih.gov)

Under the CDCs new definition "vaccines" dont even need to produce such immunity.

 

Walk 4.1 miles in 55 minutes every day. 100 reps of 4 different 50lb lifts every day. Still windsurf and kitesurf circles around half the young bucks. HOPING it all offsets my not so great diet and other bad habits.

 

I dont think we should ever accept as a "fact of life" the deaths of millions by a virus manufactured by labs in China. The natural world presents enough viruses to contend with, we dont need more. No matter what Fauci believes is a benefit to science.

 

Yup. You've been in and out of the hospital for 10 years because 25 years of smoking gave you emphysema. Now you contracted a respiratory disease that any healthy person survives easily, if you die, it's your cause of death.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8916663/

I actually started a thread on this a couple years ago. I guess Edward Jenner observed that milk maids got mild cases of small pox instead of having immunity.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

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Maybe it's closer to 700?

 

Ive often wondered, since these vaccines were released before Sept 2021 when they changed the definition at the CDC, does the Pharma company immunity from liability for medical harms to patients, extend to suing them for false and deceptive marketing, suing them for the return of every penny paid by governments for these "vaccines" that didnt even meet the definition of "vaccine".

 

Life expectancy is increasing again

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The average life expectancy in the U.S. is now 77.5 years old, according to provisional 2022 data published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

That represents an increase of 1.1 years over 2021 numbers.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/11/29/1215746931/us-life-expectancy-2022-increase

 

The real question is whether or not they would have died when they did if not for getting covid when they did. It's not about whether they were healthy before or not. If somebody dies of respiratory failure, and has covid, it's reasonable to assume they at least had a better chance of not dying when they did if not for covid.

My household finally got covid the other week, well just my pregnant wife. She got out of breath just walking across the house - baseline very healthy but pregnancy is a risk factor for more severe disease. For somebody with underlying respiratory disease, it's the straw that breaks the camel's back.

 

A thread about covid sure brings out all the conspiracy theory believers.

 

Compared to 2021, that makes sense because we lost half a million people in 2021 to Covid, but we are still well below the pre-pandemic levels.

 

It will take a couple - 3 yrs to get back to pre pandemic expectancies.

And will likely increase from there.

 

correct and David Muir of ABC will not open the news with the grim face talking about deaths. With a Democrat in the WH, it's a non-issue

 

it is an election year. We need govt to step in and one way to cure this is to send 3 ballots to every home, pre-marked with the Democrat as the choice. We cannot have people go to polls and risk catching a cold.

 

Yeah, theyve already declared that a free and fair election in 24 that puts Trump into the white house is a "THREAT TO DEMOCRACY"! when it is nothing more than the operation of democracy.
Its almost alarming at how well democrats can look you straight in the eye as they are peeing on your leg and swear to you that it is raining.

 

So no one is going to blame the president anymore. Absolutely hilarious how that glaring double standard works.

 

Outstanding. The diet makes a difference, though.

 

Any doctor will tell you that natural immunity is more effective than immunity from vaccines. The problem is that one could become seriously ill or even die while the immune system is trying to catch up with an existing infection. That's why we vaccinate. It's better really to develop the antibodies prior to infection. Much better. Natural immunity is just the ticket for a subsequent infection but less desirable for one that has already arrived. Good to see you've been reading up on immumology. It isn't a popular subject for people outside the medical professions.

 

Absolutely, and as I stated in the OP the best defense is to inform the elderly about how to minimize the risk. The virus isn't going anywhere.

 

Theres that word again with its recently evolving definition. I fully support vaccinations "that stimulates a person's immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease."

Not so much for vaccinations "that is used to stimulate the body's immune response against diseases." ESPECIALLY when pharma companies are only willing to sell the vaccine if the government grants them immunity from any liability for damages. Add on top of that FDA emergency approval without normal testing for efficacy and safety, and you can count me out from even considering them.

 

But what we informed them of in 2020 turned out to be wrong. What we told them about staying 6 ft apart was made up with no foundation in science. What we told them about masks had no basis in science. What we told them about sanitizing their hands had no basis in science. What we told them the vaccine would do for them was false.

 

The first definition is correct. Vaccines aren't 100% effective but they are superior to avoiding vaccines as I explained earlier. The immunity from liability was necessary to speed up the process of approval for covid. If you want to avoid vaccines that are fast tracked then that is a decision you make. I don't criticize such a decision.

As it turned out the covid vaccines were effective in reducing hospitalizations.They weren't 100% effective (no vaccine is) and produced some side effects (all vaccines do in some people.) Remember, natural immunity occurs after infection and takes some time to develop antibodies while the pathogen is reproducing or, in the case of viruses, being reproduced by the bodies own cells. It doesn't always get ahead of symptoms. Vaccines take some time to develop antibodies but it happens prior to infection. They have a better chance of avoiding symptoms altogether.

 

Let's look at the science. The reality is that bodily aerosols can spread way beyond 6 feet with a sneeze or cough. Not much you can do about that. But aerosols produced by breathing don't travel very far so distancing can help but, of course, isn't a solution to anything. It is just a little help.

Masks are quite effective for bacteria but not so much with viruses. There are masks that are up to 85% effective against viral spread such as the N95 respirators. You wouldn't enjoy spending your day wearing one of those. Regular N95 masks are about 25% effective against viruses. The cloth and paper masks and bandannas people actually wore are less than 5% effective. So the science says that some masks can be effective and most are not against viral spread. Recommending paper and cloth masks and bandannas didn't make scientific sense but, presumably, got people involved in mitigation to some degree. I think the government handled the communication about masks pretty badly.

Hand washing is a common and effective mitigation for the spread of disease. Every surgeon washes hands vigorously before entering the operating room. Covid is a pulmonary virus that spreads through breathing in aerosols. Getting a covid virus into your lungs from your hands is actually fairly difficult so, while hand washing is a common method of mitigating the spread of disease, it isn't an important one for a virus like covid.

So the question is should government recommend techniques with limited effectiveness. I would say it should but should do so with an explanation about that effectiveness. I've take a shot at such explanations above and it can get complicated. The government thinks some people aren't smart enough to understand but it owes the information for people who are smart enough to work with it. The advice wasn't bad, it was just incomplete.

 

The first definition has been eliminated by the CDC. Vaccines no longer need to target a specific disease, no longer need to produce an immunity to the specific disease and no longer offer protection from that disease. Merely stimulating ones immune response to diseases in general is all that is required.