Would you drown a baby, if you thought its parents were evil?

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  1. GraspingforPeace

    GraspingforPeace Well-Known Member

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    I hold God to at least the moral standards that forbid destroying human life. Where did I say I think I'm God? It seems to me that you're pleading that we can't judge God even if he commits the worst of atrocities like genocide and destroying life. Why would these actions be acceptable for God but not for us? That's an argument for morality being relative and arbitrary.
     
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    So basically, God could have physically RAPED Mary...to impregnate her with Jesus....and that would mean "Rape is cool...if God does it"?

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    Gee, I point out that God engaged in genocide and infanticide, and you defend it...and I'm the one who is "angry"?!?!?

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    Oooooh, so it was OUR fault...that God had to drown babies and couldn't come up with ANY other way to get rid of the evil people?
     
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    you cant find a goddist who is not a moral relativist, tho they seldom will admit it.
     
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    On such a basic thing. They SCREAM that abortion is "infanticide".....yet have faith in the "love and mercy" of a God the Bible tells us drowned babies by the thousands in a Flood and who ordered the Israelites to slaughter hundreds of babies and children on his order.
     
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    time to cleanse your soul, dude. you're walking in some very dark territory.

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    our friends the satanists are starting to look VERY glossy.
     
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    You might want to look in the mirror before looking at others.
     
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    It seems you think a lot of yourself...probably too much which is your folly. There is a difference in "critical thinking" and delusional thinking. Your post is an example of delusion.
     
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    You think that way because you lack the ability to be able to think in the grand scheme. Once you understand that you are not the center of the universe then you will be able to see the truth.
     
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    LOL! So you draw parallels to God as if he is a human. That is an indication that you don't realize the truth. You probably believe the universe revolves around you and you are jealous to not be God. Sorry to break the news to you but reality is you are not.

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    I have to chuckle at how the unbelieverists use phony arguments to justify their own immorality.
     
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    Pot....meet kettle.
     
  12. doombug

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    The difference is I know I am not God. You seem to think you are on the same level but you aren't. When you create a universe let me know. Until then you are just urinating in the wind.
     
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    Actually, I am not am immoral person, and i surely would not want to try to justify it if I do something wrong. I do my best, we all make mistakes.

    Turning the argument back on me is the phony move. If you are the incredibly rare exception to what i said about moral relativism, good for you.

    Could you tell of some moral absolutes that you invariably follow,regardless of the situation?
     
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    I can never find someone who can name a moral absolute and state that
    absolutely hold to it. Everyone is a moral relativist, whether they admit it or not.

    Someone wants to show I am wrong, i will agree i was wrong, and I will be very delighted to.
     
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    On the contrary turning the conversation on you is the right way to get to the truth. Why not tell us what you really think? Do you think killing is wrong?
     
  16. GraspingforPeace

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    How's the view from the ivory tower? You claim that I think I'm the center of the Universe, and then go ahead and claim that you are able to "see the truth".

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    Does God operate with a different set of moral rules than he holds humans to, and that we hold each other to?
     
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    Ivory tower? So just being able the see the truth is somehow more arrogant than proclaiming one's self the Judge of the universe and beyond? Think again.....

    Do you think God is human?
     
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    Where did I say you said that? It seems obvious that you fancy yourself as such.

    It is important and if Taikoo ever responds to my question you will learn something.
     
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    Anything but the truth that you are a moral relativist, I asked you first.

    Killing? I dont like to kill anything. Im vegetarian, i believe in being kind to animals by not eating them. Killing a fly or cocroach? I do.
    Kill another person? I would to keep from being raped or injured some other way. id never agree to an abortion even if it was my life or the baby.

    What is moral is relative to the situation. you cant just say "dont kill" with no details.

    I asked you first, now, say what moral absolute you absolutely hold to.
    i think you are a relativist / situation ethics person like everyone else.

    If you are going to dodge again, dont bother, we are done if you are going to be like that.

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    speak for yourself, oh mr wont-answer.
     
  21. GraspingforPeace

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    Why does it seem that way? Holding a supposedly all powerful and all knowing being to at least the same level of morality as most humans on the planet and maybe just a little bit higher standard is somehow fancying myself "Judge of the Universe"?

    Why would we have to wait for Taikoo to respond? Why don't you tell me why it makes a difference?
     
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    we've noted previously the tendency to just make things up.
     
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    So you think killing insects and plants is OK.

    God is not a human. He is a more superior species. As you can observe in our existence superior species kill other species for whatever reason. Humans kill animals by the tons for food and sport. Humans kill insects because they are simply annoyed by them. Humans kill and alter plants for food and decoration. Plants are living things but are not as an advanced species like humans.

    By your logic humans are far worse at mass killing than God ever has been. By your logic you are a mass murderer because you kill insects.
     
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    I answered your fellow atheist's question and yours. If you are capable of understanding it you will see humans are far worse at mass killings than God. Colonial Sanders alone has mass killed more living things than you can dream of. Maybe you should be worrying about him.
     
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    I knew it, you wont stand up for your own beliefs and say what they are, but instead you come back again making up stinking lies about other people. I have absolutely zero respect for you. If you have any respect for yourself, you have no standards.
     

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