Would you have answered the prayers of the 6 million Holocaust Jews?

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    it's hard for some to answer as they know what they would do, but if God would not do it, then they have to think... maybe they should not either, as some believe that is where they should turn to for moral guidance - WWJD

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    Technically you might be right, but when we are talking about innocent children being murdered in untold numbers by one of the most evil forces (the Nazis) in world history, Modern Secular Humanism has the moral fortitude to take a stand on this fairly straight-forward moral question. Jesus' followers, well, uh, not so much, it appears (after 10 pages.)
     
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    WWJD... start a new religion...... ;)
     
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    As usual, I think you are right!

    Religion may cloud moral thinking.

    YOUR response, earlier, was to answer "yes" to the OP, so on this one important moral test, you are far more moral than even "god" is, clearly! I think Christians may want to start looking towards people like you for their moral guidance instead of an invisible man in the sky who is clearly anti-semitic. So tell us, what belief system do you advocate, as this may be a good belief system for our Christian friends to look into?
     
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    Hehe. It would have to be drastically different than the one he already (allegedly) started, or else we'd be right back in this moral abyss that his followers seem to have fallen into.
     
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    Modern Secular Humanism basically teaches to think for one's self, and if Christians followed that advice they would have no problem at all answering "yes" to the OP.

    I wonder what chimpanzees would answer if they could understand what was being asked in the OP?
     
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    3rd times a charm they say.... but like Jesus, if one doesn't see their current religion as being good enough, start a new one, that is what Jesus would do
     
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    I always find your posts a breath of, well, you know.

    The Bible 3.0 is a good idea.
    What about Qur'an 2.0?

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    Yes, "god" failed the first time to create a final religion - he got it wrong.
     
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    it would be Qur'an 3.0 too, the Qur'an is also a part two of the original.... they could use a 3.0 too

    maybe the 3.0 could replace both

    of course version 1 is still around, so doubt version 2's would go anywhere either, but may become less crazy when their numbers dwindled

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    Probably because they killed minorities and gays too.
     
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    I see that as MORE reason, not LESS!
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You can assume anything you want. If I were Jesus, I would have raptured the place during the middle ages so it would be a moot question.
     
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    Why didn't Jesus do that?
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And I was asking you, and will do it again, Why do you think it would be moral to allow Nazis to exist in the first place?
     
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    Never asked. I guess I will take it up with him the next time I see him at the skating rink.
     
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    He was probably I the Eagle's Lair with Hilter, smoking a cigar and drinking a brandy schnapps.
     
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    Ask Jesus, he (allegedly) allowed it.
     
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    The Jews were apparently behind Jesus' crucifixion, so maybe Jesus is pissed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q45rBblVaUY
     
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    I will, but after all your bellyaching about people avoiding your question, you avoiding they question is noted.
     
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    That was what happened, too.

    The rapture was when every single survivor became a Christian during the universal church in the Roman Empire.
    The whole thing lasted until the Renaissance came.
    Then, the old Roman and Greek culture returned.
    Nakedness in art and even more so in dress came back into fashion.
    Monasteries were no longer so desirable as towns filled up with people.

    Satan returned and people began seeing witches and evil sexually active people again.

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    He did:

    The Gays and the feminist harlots were driven off the street of the whole Roman World:

    Rev. 20:4
    And I saw thrones (of Universal Christian authority) and they, (the 144,000 monks of Catholic monasticism: [Rev14:4]), sat upon them (Christianity mandated as the ONLY legal religion in the Empire, in 380AD), and (theocratic) judgment was given unto them (in the days of Catholic Monasticism):
    and I saw, (visions), the souls, (the spirit-like psyches), of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, (Old Testament and New), and which had not worshiped (by participation in the paganistic practices and sexual excesses fueling) the beast (of the Roman economic system which had been based upon selfish self-interest), neither his image(on his coinage), neither had received his mark (of ledgered accounts recorded) upon their foreheads, or in (wages in) their hands; and they lived (as angels in the minds of Christians who have followed, these beheaded saints, in the memories of congregations who worshipped in churches built upon the bones of their remains)...
    .... and (they) reigned (in Monasticism) with Christ a thousand years, (from 54 AD upon the appearance of the Holy Comforter, until 1054 AD with the first Schism of Greek Orthodoxy).
     
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    then what happened, Christians threw a fit and said if we can't have our way were closing down the government,

    then the religious fanatics started seeing witches and stuff....

    could history repeat itself?

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    America did not allow them to continue existing, and the Bible prophesied that would be the case: "I will save you from far away[/I][/U],[/B] (with Christian American Military Forces),"...

    Jer 30: 3 For, lo, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, (in Nazi Europe), saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, (Israel), and they shall possess it.

    7 Alas! That day is so great there is none like it; it is a time of distress for Jacob; yet he shall be saved out of it, (The Holocaust).

    10 Then fear not, O Jacob my servant, declares the Lord, nor be dismayed, O Israel; for behold, I will save you from far away, (with Christian American Military Forces), and your offspring from the land of their captivity. Jacob shall return (to Israel) and have quiet and ease, and none shall make him afraid.
     
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    The Classical Roman and Greek Cultures, (especially Greeks),... came back, and fatherless started popping up again.
     
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    No, it was his father, i.e.; the almighty Reality, which saw it coming.
    It was what God called his "strange act:"


    Isaiah 28:21 For the Lord shall rise up (to overthrow His own people by Holocaust), as in mount Perazim, (i.e.; a high ground position for David to attack the Philistines, which alternatively, says "Yahweh burst-through": [2 Samuel 5:20; 1 Chronicles 14:11]), he, (Yahweh burst-through), shall be wroth (i.e.; without sunlight) as in the valley of Gibeon, (as when great hailstones struck the Jericho army), that He may do his work, (i.e.; bring Jews to Christ, as the Elijah: [Matt 3:16,17]), his strange work, (Zech 12:10); and bring to pass his act (of conversion:[Matt 17:2]), his strange act (of Holocaust: [Rev 11:7-13])
     

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