Would you have answered the prayers of the 6 million Holocaust Jews?

Why do you presume so much when you can't even make a legitimate prediction of what will happen today? Instead of what has already happened.

 

Honestly, I had not seen that....so yes, I was right.
And, to really really go out on a limb here, I'm going to predict that TOMORROW the same thing will happen! Yes, I like to live on the edge.
I have faith in faith (to do the wrong thing.)

 

What are you doing about the Palestinians who are still working with Nazi ideas?

2 For, lo, thine enemies (among the sexually promiscuous gentile people and the False Prophet of Islam) make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head (against Scripture and against Israel).

3 They have, (Hitler and Palestinian organizer Haj Amin al-Husseini), taken crafty counsel against thy people, (they attack medieval interpretation of the Bible with modern Science, on the one hand, and with claims of the false prophet of the Koran on the other), and consulted (with one another) against thy hidden ones (who wrote the Bible).

 

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I answered you.

1) Jesus warned them in Rev 11.

2) God told them that they would be punished in Jer 30:11.

3) Jesus also tried to convert those Jews who did come to him, but they would not cooperate.

What you ask is why does Reality always punish people who behave sexually promiscuous, which is nonsense because Reality just does.

 

The reason is that her people created a culture in their society which was sexually promiscuous.
That's what brings on these destructions.

 

Sounds like you're saying, as a good Christian, that those Holocaust victims got what they deserved!

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More blaming the victim.
Sad, really.

 

what is your god doing about it?

Is Israel gonna commit genocide against them? they need to come to peace with each other... forget their religious differences

Israel needs to stop trying to expand and Palsine needs to stop attacking Israel

I am against the harm either side is doing to the other, though I am not a God and powerless to stop either

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There are only two witnesses we need, the Old Testament ad the New Testament:

1) Both Elijah and Christ raised the dead:

1 Kings 17:22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

John 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where .Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

2) Both Elijah, who never dies, and Christ were immortal:

2 Kings 2:1 And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal

John 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

3) Both Elijah and Christ ascended into Heaven before witnesses:

2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
12 And Elisha saw it,

Luke 24:.51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven

4) Both Elijah and Christ troubled Israel:

1 Kings 18:17 And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel?

Matthew 2:3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

5) Both Elijah and Christ were threatened by the authorities with death:

1 Kings 19:14.. And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only am left; and they seek my life, to take it away

John 11:53 Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death

6) Both Elijah and Christ.... were hunted by the Jewish authorities:

1 Kings 19:14 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away

Then said some of them of Jerusalem, Is not this he, whom they seek to kill?

7) Both Elijah and Christ.... hid in a cave/tomb:

1 Kings 19:9 And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?

Luke 2:14 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.

Both Elijah and Christ pondered in the wilderness 40 days and forty nights:....

1 Kings 19:8 And he arose, and did eat and drink, and went in the strength of that meat forty days and forty nights unto Horeb the mount of God

Matthew 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

9) Both Elijah and Christ. walked on across the water

2 Kings 2:8.. And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped it together, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground

Matthew 14:25 And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea\

10) Both Elijah and Christ let a person follow them across the water:

2 Kings 2:14.. And he took the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and smote the waters, and said, Where is the LORD God of Elijah? and when he also had smitten the waters, they parted hither and thither: and Elisha went over

Matthew 14:29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water to go to Jesus.

11) Both Elijah and Christ.... wrote only one thing, a letter, to people on Earth AFTER they had ascended:

2 Chronicles 21:12 And there came a writing to him from ..Elijah.. the prophet, saying, Thus saith the LORD God of David thy father, Because thou hast not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat thy father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah,\

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

12) Both Elijah and Christ appointed a successor, Elisha, by Elijah, and Peter, by Christ:\
2 Kings 2:9.. And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And ..Elisha.. said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me
Matthew 16:18.. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this .rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

13) Both Elijah and Christ gave a successor the power to raise the dead:
2 Kings 8:5.. And it came to pass, as he was telling the king how he had restored a dead body to life, that, behold, the woman, whose son he had restored to life, cried to the king for her house and for her land. And Gehazi said, My lord, O king, this is the woman, and this is her son, whom ..Elisha.. restored to life.
Acts 9:40 But Peter put them all forth, and kneeled down, and prayed.; and turning him to the body said, Tabitha, arise. And she opened her eyes: and when she saw Peter, she sat up.

14) Both Elijah and Christ gave a successor the power to heal:

2 Kings 5:10.. And Elisha sent a messenger unto him, saying, Go and wash in Jordan seven times, and thy flesh shall come again to thee, and thou shalt be clean

Acts 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk

15) Both Elijah and Christ gave a successor a symbolic authority, the cloak to one, the keys to the other:

1 Kings 19:19.. So he departed thence, and found Elisha the son of Shaphat, who was plowing with twelve yoke of oxen before him, and he with the twelfth: and Elijah passed by him, and cast his mantle upon him.

Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven

16) Both Elijah and Christ asked that the this "cup" be taken from them:

1Kings 19:4 .But he himself went a day's journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a juniper tree: and he requested for himself that he might die (because he was afraid of what was coming from Jezebel: [1Kings 19:3]), and said, "It is enough (they seek my life, to take it away: [1Kings 19:10]); now, O LORD, take away my life; for I am not better than my fathers."

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, (because he began to show grief and distress of mind and was deeply depressed: [Matt 26:37]), let this cup pass from me (It is enough: [1Kings 19:4]): nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

17) Both Elijah and Christ had miraculous births:

Jewish Encyclopedia:
Three different theories regarding Elijah's origin are presented in the Haggadah: Mention must be made of a statement which, though found only in the later cabalistic literature (Yal?u? Reubeni, Bere(*)(*)(*)(*), 9a, ed. Amsterdam), seems nevertheless to be very old (see Epiphanius, l.c.), and according to which Elijah was an angel in human form, so that he had neither parents nor offspring.
See also Melchizedek.

Matthew1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

1 Both Elijah and Christ destroyed pagan worshippers and priests. Elijah destroyed the priests of Baal; Christ, the Pantheon of Rome, 380AD:

IKi 18:40 And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.

History: Universal Christianity in 380AD:
Revelation 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.
They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years (32AD -1054AD)\

19) Both Elijah and Christ were promised faithfulness three times, Elisha in the former and Peter, in the latter.\

2 Kings 2:2.. I will not leave thee. So they went down to Bethel
2 Kings 2:4.. I will not leave thee. So they came to Jericho
2 Kings 2:6.. I will not leave thee. And they two went on

John 21:17.. He saith unto him the third time,... "Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, "Lovest thou me?"

20) Both Elijah and Christ. condemned a Jezebel:

2 Kings 9:36 Wherefore they came again, and told him. And he said, This is the word of the LORD, which he spake by his servant Elijah the Tishbite, saying, In the portion of Jezreel shall dogs eat the flesh of Jezebel:

Rev 2:20 ..Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds...

21) Both Elijah and Christ re-dedicated the Israelite people to God by raising up a new altar or temple:

1 Ki 18:30 And ..Elijah.. said unto all the people, Come near unto me. And all the people came near unto him. And he repaired the altar of the LORD that was broken down. And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of the LORD came, saying, Israel shall be thy name:

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up.

22) Both Elijah and Christ chose one man upon which to build his following:

2 Kings 2:15 And when the sons of the prophets which were to view at Jericho saw him, they said, The spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and ..upon.. this ..rock.. I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

23) Both Elijah and Christ were subject of a three day 'search' for their presence:

2 Kings 2:1 And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send.
They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not.

Luke 2:46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.

 

Yes, they do have differences between themselves.
But their difference go way back in time now.

Dan. 11:29 (The governor of the ancient city founded by Seleucus I, Syria, MUAWIYA I, Muslim ruler of the UMAYYADS from 661 AD through 750 AD), at the time appointed, (when he will build the abomination of the Dome of the Rock in 688-690 AD), he, (after these peoples of Persia [Iran], Babylon ([Iraq], and Assyria ([Syria] having been forcibly converted to Islam: [Dan 7:8]), shall return (to the Holy Lands), and come toward the south (i.e. Israel); but it shall not be as the former, (in the time of Antiochus III), or as the latter (in the 167 BC desecration of Zeus, in the time of Antiochus IV).

 

Nah,...
The Pope deals with all nations.
In this case, they were establishing the Vatican for the first time as a separate State inside Italy.

In 1937 the Pope wrote out a great criticism of Nazi behavior.

 

didn't the Vatican take over a Pagan site, the new is always built on top of the old

 

I gotta say, you seem to provide more evidence than most any other poster on this forum, and I admire that.

However, by "witnesses" I mean witnesses to a court-room level of evidence, actual live witnesses that could be presented in a court of law - that are so credible that they are included in the bible (why not include them, by the way!?)....shouldn't be too hard if this "god" fellow you Christians go on and on about were actually real. Some ancient, unauthored book, is not court-room level of evidence, of course. If "god" fails to provide that level of evidence, then he's no more real than Odin, or Appolo, or Nanook, etc.

God....you've failed.

 

FreedomSeeker,
Ah. [COLOR="#FF000"]{Mod Edit - Rule 3}[/COLOR] What in the hell makes you think that 6 million died in the "holocaust." For everything you have been taught about WW II or the holocaust, you would be better off believing just the opposite. I will include a picture of a couple of plaques. The old one on the left used to be at the holocaust memorial museum in Auschwitz. The new onw on the right appears there now. The old one says that 4 million Jews died at Auschwitz. Though it is a little hard to read, the new one on the right says that 1.5 million died there. And if the initial death figures at Auschwitz were so far off, then it is most likely that all of the other deaths reported at the other Jewish internment camps ("death camps") were way overblown too.

 

Yeah, now that you mention it, we are like victims of Reality.

If we misbehave, consequence come.
That is why Reality is God to us.

 

Your comment is obscene.

 

Probably...
Early churches were usually build over old pagan temples when the 1000 year reign of Jesus took place.

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Sound like it is obscene, but sociology says this is what always happens.

 

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The "case" is about whether religious Jews ought accept Jesus as their Elijah or not.
The only witnesses these Jews will listen to are the scriptures.

In this case, the Jews are the Jury, right?

 

Just like Pat Robertson blamed 9/11 on gays, etc. (instead of religion, where the blame squarely lies.) Religion does something to the chemical compounds in the mind, some argue.

 

Will be interesting, how death people can answer and vote…

As Atheist … maybe Jesus didn’t help their payers because being Non-Christians? No offence against anyone, THIS IS NOW ONLY A QUOTATION of someone else who answered the same question right with this!

 

Fist of all ... PLEASE COME DOWN!!! I clearly wrote that I have quoted something of another one who answered the same question right with this impudence ... please quote then the full content what is missing here!

THIS DOES NOT MEAN IT IS MY OPINION ... but such rubbish is often told and this by so called Christians praying and thanking to their god for every fart that happens in life on one side, but on the other side wanting to have White only shields in live back and blaming Jews to be guilty to have killed their Jesus!!!

Aside this I agree with you full what you write! OK?

 

Depends upon one's perspective really. If reality is as Tom Campbell thinks, the physicist, that we live in a virtual reality, in which the creator, Consciousness, has also inserted itself into this virtual reality, which we experience as consciousness, and that the VR is a kind of school, that has suffering in it, as one of the learning aids, then human suffering that makes people pray, is a part of that school.

The Hindu philosophy says, Tat vsam asi, "thou art that". With "that" being the Creator, then that perspective changes the way one looks at your topic.

Prayer in essence is something that appeals to something outside of the ego, which finds itself powerless, and that can be a move that helps in the transcendence of the ego, which is a creation of thought. For all the evils of this world, has always been a movement of the ego, in pursuing gratification. This school is to teach man who and what his consciousness actually is, and who he really is. Tat vsam asi. It is a movement from disorder into order.

So it depends upon one's perspective as to what reality is.

 

You seem to assume that there is such a thing as objective morality. There isn't.

You think it would be moral for Jesus to have stopped the Holocaust. Why do you think it would be moral to allow Nazis to exist in the first place?

 

I'm just asking FORUM MEMBERS (I'm not asking Jesus) if they would do the compassionate thing - like Modern Secular Humanists would do of course, to help those innocent Jews who are praying to them (just say) in regards to the Holocaust.
Christians, based on the replies so far, are clearly not taking the compassionate/loving route, so Modern Secular Humanism is something they might want to check out, to improve their level of morality, as of course a Sam Harris would answer said prayers if he had that magic super-Ninja super-power.

Have a great day.

 

So then we can assume that your answer to the question in the OP is "no".

I think some people are unsure how to answer this question, so the best advice I can give is that when in doubt, always err on the side of love (i.e. err on the side of loving them by saying you'd help the innocent people of the evil Holocaust if you had the power to answer their prayers.) At least that's what the typical Modern Secular Humanist response would be.
By the responses of the Christians, so far, it appears to me that Jesus was not very effective at actually teaching that concept, but I could be wrong.

Have a great weekend.