Would you have answered the prayers of the 6 million Holocaust Jews?

We're going to take your answer, as, well effectively, basically along the lines of "whoa, I can't answer this question honestly, that yes I'd help them, because then I'd appear more moral than Jesus, and disrespecting Jesus like that might jeopardize my after-life!!"

As a Modern Secular Humanist, a person can be more honest with themselves.

Thanks for putting up with me.

 

nothing is a part of God's master plan... I think that is the point, if it was, then what happened to the Jews was God's plan

 

What's rude is Jesus not answering the prayers, he sits on his hands (if he's even real), of innocent people in dire need such as the Holocaust. If Jesus was real, the Holocaust would have had, say, 1000 victims, tops. Clearly he's not real...or he's just uncaring...either way he's not worth worshipping.

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Keep in mind that this same alleged all-knowing all-powerful "god" is such an uncaring arse that he steadfastly refuses, day after day after day, to give us the cure for cancer. A complete s**t.

 

Such are the ways of opinion and rebellion.

 

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Jesus DID warn them,.
If the Jews had read his last message, Revelation 11, they would have come to America before 1933.

Rev. 11:7 And when they, (the two candlesticks; the House of Jacob and the House of Judah), shall have finished their testimony (against their own messiah ben Joseph, and changed their written texts in he Talmud so as to remove the name of Jesus and their direct protests against him), the (seven headed) beast (of Western civilization) that (had) ascendeth out of the bottomless pit (in The Renaissance) shall make (secular) war against them, (these Jews of the diaspora), and shall overcome them (in 1942), and kill them (with gas and starvation and brutalities).
Rev. 11:8 And, (the House of Jacob and the house of Judah), their dead bodies shall lie in the street (of Nazi Paganism) of the great city (which is the tenth horn of Western Civilization), which spiritually (in its philosophical outlook) is called Sodom, (a place practicing pagan sexual license and libidinal excess, one to be destroyed by fire) and (that ancient place of Jew trust in the shadow of) Egypt, (the time of their confusion: [Isa. 30:2-3]: Egypt, the land of both their beloved Joseph and also, their slavery), where, (in their blindness of scriptural truth) also our Lord was crucified (among them in 32 AD).

Rev. 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations (of the 1260 years of the Jewish dispersion among them, i.e.; the Diaspora), shall not see their dead bodies to be put in graves, (but in Concentration Camps), three days (of years) and an half, (i.e.; 1942-1945), and kill them (with gas and starvation and brutalities)

Rev. 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth, (in Nazi Western Europe), shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send (supposed Christian seasonal) gifts one to another, (like the skin of Jews for lampshades, etc); because these two prophets, (the House of Jacob and the house of Judah, the two candlesticks: [Rev 11:4]), tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Rev. 11:11 And after (the Holocaust), three and an half days (of years, 1942-1945), the Spirit of life from God entered into them, (the House of Jacob and the House of Judah: [Rev 11:4]), and they stood upon their feet (in the land Promised); and great fear fell upon them (in Islam) which saw them, (the prophecy of the Fig Tree, blooming was fulfilled: [Matt 24:32).

Rev. 11:12 And (the survivors), they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither (where all Nations can see). And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud (of history); and their enemies (especially in Palestinia) beheld them.

Rev. 11:13 And the same hour was there a great "earthquake," (i.e.; Israeli Statehood!!), and the tenth part of the city, (the Promised Land), fell (to the returning Jews), and in the "earthquake" (of their in-gathering) were slain of (muslim) men, seven thousand: and the remnant (Islamic armies) were affrighted, and (all the Judaeo-Christian world) gave glory to the God of heaven (that prophecy had been fulfilled).

 

Nice planner, this guy.....as about 99 TIMES more of the (supposed) species that he's created have become extinct vs. have survived. This guy is a worse planner than a vendor who plans to put his life saving into marketing a new Piglet doll action figure for sale in Saudi Arabia. Not too bright.

 

So you feel it's moral to punish them, many of them children, with DEATH for simply not having read the illogical fine-print in a particular section of one of the THOUSANDS of texts among the thousands of unproven illogical religions!? I'm questioning your sense of fairness, my friend.

 

Well first of all, morality cannot be used when discussing God because it says there is something above him and there is not. Second of all, God never said that humans would never suffer, just the opposite in fact and feel free to use Jesus as your reference point here and thirdly, God has given everyone a way to escape all suffering for all eternity. What happens to a person in their short time here on earth is not relevant in the grand scheme of things.

 

... yes, it was God's plan:

Isaiah 28:21 For the Lord shall rise up (to overthrow His own people by Holocaust), as in mount Perazim, (i.e.; a high ground position for David to attack the Philistines, which alternatively, says "Yahweh burst-through": [2 Samuel 5:20; 1 Chronicles 14:11]), he, (Yahweh burst-through), shall be wroth (i.e.; without sunlight) as in the valley of Gibeon, (as when great hailstones struck the Jericho army), that He may do his work, (i.e.; bring Jews to Christ, as the Elijah: [Matt 3:16,17]), his strange work, (Zech 12:10); and bring to pass his act (of conversion:[Matt 17:2]), his strange act (of Holocaust: [Rev 11:7-13])

 

But my pet poodle, if he had Jesus' super-powers, would indeed have answered the prayers of most of the 6 million innocent Holocaust victims....so even a lowly canine is above this "god" you revere so highly. Sad, really.

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Then who would worship such a monster!!??
[Well, uh, ok, I myself used to but.....]

 

Gee.. that makes me wonder how some of the Nazi troops felt about 'fairness' when they saw other men, women, and children being slaughtered yet some of them are the ones who fired the guns and shoved those people to be slaughtered into the ovens and gas chambers? I wonder how many of those troops were either Theist or non-theist?

 

Modern Secular Humanism hadn't evolved yet, so I bet many were Christians.
According to this "Wiki" fellow recently, "Christianity is the largest religion in Germany with 61% of the total population.", so I assume the MAJORITY were Christians doing the slaughtering (so then Jesus was a terrible role model), and of course Jesus didn't even try to correct his own followers. Jesus = fail. Jesus' hatred of the Jew was partly responsible for the Holocaust, as Hitler mentioned Biblical hatred of Jews on at least one occasion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Germany

 

sad but true, Hitler was born and raised Christian himself

 

Being too smart to have an invisible friend does, unfortunately, not make someone moral, necessarily, I'll admit, but having a religion does give good people even more reasons to do bad things. Jihad against the Infidel is one good example.

 

No.
The Jews were not punished for "not having read" Revelation.
They just were not saved from it.
Jesus had warned them in answer to the prayers they later made.

It was that had they read it, they could have avoided what was coming,... as I had said.

God said, in Jer 30:11, that "I will discipline you in just measure (with Holocaust), and I will by no means leave you unpunished."
They could have read that too.

 

sad, Christians "punish" Jews, then claim they were just fulfilling prophacy

 

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They were all acting Gay and sexually promiscuous just like the Gentiles.
Why should God product Jews who act like Gentiles, when he had long told them to attack such people,... verbally and physically if necessary???

 

Yep, this video shows that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exp9xjgJj68

If Jesus hadn't taught that non-believers, like Jews, go to hell (seeing how evil the apparently are?), then I wonder if the Holocaust would have even happened in the first place. Instead of burning non-believers alive (Revelation), if the bible taught that they were indeed good enough to go to "heaven", then I bet the Holocaust would not have happened.

 

You assume something about the past using statistics of the present day. In other words you cannot provide an accurate answer to the inquiry which I made. Got it. When did assumptions become a logical tool?

 

Revelation is actually a Jewish writing, to which Jesus added the first three chapters.
Revelation was Jewish prophets warning promiscuous Jews what would happen in Reality if they did not change their conduct.


Revelation is a Jewish writing:
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12712-revelation-book-of

 

So what % WERE Christians, at the time of the Holocaust?

 

Modern Secular Humanism would explain to their flock that every successful society has dominated for a short time, then collapsed after a process of seven steps of developments:

THE FATE OF EMPIRES and SEARCH FOR SURVIVAL
Sir John Glubb
The seven stages of the rise and fall of great nations seem to be:

1) The Age of Pioneers (outburst)
2) The Age of Conquests
3) The Age of Commerce
4) The Age of Affluence
5) The Age of Intellect
6) The Age of Decadence.
7) The Age of Revolts or invasion.

Decadence is marked by: I] Defensiveness, II] Pessimism, III] Materialism, IV] Frivolity, (Sexual Promiscuity) V] An influx of foreigners, VI] The Welfare State, VII] A weakening of religion.

http://www.newworldeconomics.com/archives/2014/092814_files/TheFateofEmpiresbySirJohnGlubb.pdf

 

If you had Jesus' alleged magic super-powers would you have answered the prayers of most of the 6 million Jews during the Holocaust?
It would be nice if we could get at least ONE follower of Jesus to say the morally-correct thing here, but I'm not holding my breath - seeing how Jesus was so immoral to even accept slavery, etc. [ http://evilbible.com/Slavery.htm ]

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If you had Jesus' alleged magic super-powers would you have answered the prayers of most of the 6 million Jews during the Holocaust?

 

I have no statistics to provide to you. On the other hand, judging from their actions (killing other people) I would venture the guess of about zero.

 

The Christians were the church which saved the remnant of Jews which God had said he would not see killed:


Jer 30: 3 For, lo, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, (in Nazi Europe), saith the Lord: and I will cause them (by this act), to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, (Israel), and they shall possess it.

7 Alas! That day is so great there is none like it; it is a time of distress for Jacob; yet he shall be saved out of it, (The Holocaust).

10 Then fear not, O Jacob my servant, declares the Lord, nor be dismayed, O Israel; for behold, I will save you from far away, (with Christian American Military Forces), and your offspring from the land of their captivity. Jacob shall return (to Israel) and have quiet and ease, and none shall make him afraid.