Hamas feeds Gaza's poor during Ramadan.

I was comparing it to Ramadan. We have a whole month of focus entirely on God. The Christmas I spent in other countries were nothing like that. It was all about shops staying open late to buy gifts. Parties. Lots of trees with decoration and big red Santa Claus with bag of presents. Coloured lights. The people I spoke to said they did not go to church except at midnight that night. In New York it was all about buying gifts and eating food. TV showed nothing religious except Christmas day in the morning and then the rest was all cartoon and funny movies. I saw some people in uniforms with some kids singing in squares at night. Most people just walked past them and into the shops and restaurants in the towns. I felt sorry for them because it was very cold in the few places I went to and it seemed they were palying and no one was really listening to them. I also was in one house where I hear a bell ringing and everyone jumped up and they all took their kids out to the street where apparently every year a big santa dresses up and rides on some kind of chariot thing and the kids give him money?????? That was weird. Nothing about religion or very very little and certainly no talk of religion with the foreigners I was with on the different occassions who were I sippose Christians because they were not Muslims..

The American Christian family I spent last Christmas day with here, and had dinner with, never mentioned at all about God. They did not bless the food they ate before eating. The conversation over that meal was not about God but about how difficult it was to buy cranberry and Christmas bakery things for cakes in Egypt.

I was just comparing.

I am reading lots about Catholics.

I am reading at the moment about the 1500 1600's in the Britain.
I am reading about Spanish Inquisition and Marranos.
Last night I was reading about the Sack of Rome by the Bourbons.
About the rape and killings and about monks being stripped with the nuns and forced to have sex while the Bourbons watched clapping.
About Pope Clement and Pope Julius time.
About Cardinals and especially Cardinal Wolsey and his fine palaces and gold treasury and how he manipulated French and Spanish Kings. How he plotted with the King Henry to oust the Spanish Queen so he could marry the witch one.
How Churches were burned and monasteries demolished.
How famous Bishops were burned and hung.

Very very scary!!!!

I dont know devout ones. The ones I met were not devout from what I saw. I suppose there may be many devout but what I was saying was your Christmas in general to a foreigner is not about religion. Not from how a foreigner sees it. Those devout people didn't seem to be about.

From a foreigner with different religion perspective Moon was right.
The whole Christmas thing to me was about eating and gifts and drinking and parties.

 

Muslim Brotherhood for first time in 5 years in Egypt was able to hold a public iftar.
Lots of Copts, secular invited to sit with Muslims to break the fast.

Big event focused on Unity and building our raped country.

 

Nice one. Good luck.

 

And Islam does not have dark periods in its history?

Why don't you read some of the good in out history? Like youd want a non-Muslim to do instead of focusing on such things as massacres and bloody wars, right? Learn about out famous saints, like St. Francis of Padua, who made a vow of poverty to help the poor.

Devout faithfulness to Christ is on a serious downfall here in America. I never said most people do not use it as an excuse to party and get "wasted" and buy alot of stuff.

But there are devout Christians who still worship Christ and give him his due of worship on Christmas.
Just because our secular society bastardized this holy day, doesn't mean actual Christians follow their footsteps. Its something that you will find when you live in an overwhelming secular country.

How about you come spend Christmas mass with me then? We can go to the Midnight Mass and the Christmas mass. lol

 

You ever thought, they did not want to offend you, or make you feel weird?
Come spend time with me. We can go to mass and discuss the gospel in detail.

Ill cut down to only 1 hour of meditation and prayer for the day . I don't think you could go for a couple of hours doing such.

 

Abu: Many Christian families read the Christmas story .. attend church on Christmas Eve and Christmas day, say grace and celebrate the birth of Christ.


Many others contribute to Christmas toys and Christmas food packages for the poor.

Some work all Christmas Day in charities like Hosea Feed the Hungry.

Your judgment of Christmas is based on one family.

I would not judge Islam based on one Muslim.

 

we constantly hear about the dark side of islam ... but the truth is catholicism wins on that score.

that said, I don't have much of an issue with most modern catholics, however the Church is still a long way from perfect.

 

I always feel bad when Ramadan falls during the summer months.. Its so hard for them when the temps are in triple digits.

 

Thats a joke

 

no darls ... look at history and you will see its not.

 

I do look at history. And Catholicism was no worse then Islam. In fact Islam was much worse.

You "darls" should stop joking. Islam even continues its barbaric ways.

 

Have you lived around ordinary Muslims anywhere in the ME?

 

Yeah, moon, just like this great gesture.

Iran supports Hamas by the way and they share the same political and religious goals.

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Iran: Two More Executions for Homosexual Conduct.

On Sunday, November 13, the semi-official Tehran daily Kayhan reported that the Iranian government publicly hung two men, Mokhtar N. (24 years old) and Ali A. (25 years old), in the Shahid Bahonar Square of the northern town of Gorgan.

The government reportedly executed the two men for the crime of "lavat." Iran’s sharia law, a law-based penal code defines lavat as penetrative and non-penetrative sexual acts between men. Iranian law punishes all penetrative sexual acts between adult men with the death penalty. Non-penetrative sexual acts between men are punished with lashes until the fourth offense, when they are punished with death. Sexual acts between women, which are defined differently, are punished with lashes until the fourth offense, when they are also punished with death.

Human Rights Watch called upon the Iranian government to decriminalize homosexuality and reminded Iran of its obligations under Toonen v. Australia (1994), the Human Rights Committee’s authoritative interpretation of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, to which Iran is party. Toonen v. Australia extends recognition of the right to privacy and the right to freedom from discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation throughout human rights law.

 

No. I just know how to read the news

 

...or corporation in general....

 

warning.

Margot gets great pleasure from these things.

Watchout. The supposed "christian women" from Saudi Arabia, will defend this

 

Haha!

You are correct, Ezra.

Margot gets pleasure from many strange things!

 

Do you have a link to validate such Semite-hating racist generalizations spoken on behalf of apartheid Israel?

All that you are showing is that Israel is far more racist than you are willing to admit. Just because Iran is wrong for murdering the innocent, such doesn't mean that Israel is honorable for doing similar in Palestine.

 

Link please. Prove that the hated Semite is as evil as Israel educated you to believe.

 

When did Israel have to do with this conversation?

Have you been smoking weed, Judge?

 

Link Please.

Prove that my conversation with her, abu and the other women has had anything to do with Israel.

Thanks

 

Look we know what youre up to. Youre simply trying to proclaim that these mooslims are by nature a barbaric people with whom peace cannot be made and therefore israelis must and can continue to do as they will and therefore further any consequences are the mooslims fault.

As for who's more barbaric, Mr cessna example of two executed homosexuals in iran is instructive. Lets see they even executed a 16 year old girl accused of adultery a few years ago. The list goes on.

However, in modern christian nations such executions and punishments were common place. These punishments were based on christian laws and christian values. But of course since the 50s / 60s the west has modernised and liberalised - the poorer muslim east has not. Nor given the results of our reforms in terms of social chaos should they go anywhere near our amount of liberalism.

Therefore the charge against evil muslims using sharia law is undermined and you really should not continue along this line. We can always see what you are doing - so who really do you think you are talking to? Is this really just about yoou and James Cessna and other bigots agreeing with each other?

 

Sorry, but that's not a link. Thus, why are you heavily defensive of everyone who hates Semites? Did Israel never teach you that it is wrong to hate Jews? Many Zionists are often hypocritical racists who hate to be hated, as your unconditional defense of racism demonstrates.

 

Can you send me links to these dark periods in Islamic history. From historical sources not fictional works so that I can read about that too.

I would not want to learn about saint as we do not believe in saints. We believe in one God. To us there are no such things as saints. Yes there were good people who done good works but we dont believe they are elevated or should be elevated here on earth. That's for God to decide not us. Who should decide who is a saint and who is not? A man in Rome? What about all the other people around the world who are not catholics who are examples of compassion and good who are not made saints? I wouldnt trust any man in Rome to decide who is a saint after reading about the bloody history of popes. The catholic church has enough to deal with the pedophilia in it and should focus on that and fix that and see why that happens.

I am sure there are plenty devout as you describe Christians worshipping a prophet Jesus but we do noit worship prophets. They are messengers from God. We worship God only.


I have been in plenty churches. As a tourist of course. In Austria and Switzerland and France and UK and USA and Spain. I have been to St Patricks in New York and Westminister Cathedral and St Pauls and Sacre Coeur and Notre Dame in Paris and little churches up in the hills of Switzerland and Austria. I have been in plenty as a tourist.
It's a very strange experience for me.
A bit like I guess how our prophet felt when he went to the Ka'aba when it was controlled by the pagans and full of images all being worshipped and adored.
Lots of glitter, and candles and idols and windows with these saints on them.
No feeling of God being there at all for me. That was my experience.
It was too distracting and a bit like some kind of visual cocktail for the eyes to look at.
Very strange.

 

dp .