Don't tell us it's Guns

Okay, it's not the guns, it's us as Americans.

 

Yes, lets make jokes about it. The "thoughts and prayers" got old.

Of course they want that? Have you ever heard a banner say he wants to take guns from everyone, except blacks in the ghettos? I have not. No one has.

Anyone who kills people doesn't care about laws. Common sense. Obviously we should make an effort to minimize the number of firearms in the hands of criminals and the mentally insane.

Most law abiding citizens benefit from the course in terms of learning about safety, and legal aspects. For me the legal part was the most important, since I was already familiar with firearms handling.

 

What can you do fixed up on drugs that is legal when you are doped but illegal when you are sober? See it's the action of using the object not the object itself.

Same with guns- guns don't just fire themselves. You can load a gun, cork(?) it, take the safety off, and set it down but if nobody touches it that gun won't do anything but rust. It certainly won't fire and kill anybody.

 

Except for all the people that proclaim "it just went off".

 

If body count is what is sought, a vehicle in a crowd is at least as effective as a gun.

This is absolute nonsense. There are free Community Mental Health Clinics virtually everywhere.

 

What can people do on drugs thats legal?
Write, develop, market trade, entertain, grow, it, sell it, profit, stay out of your business, etc.
Why does it have to be illegal while sober? Maybe their work just isnt as good sober.

Loading a gun isnt enough for some people, they have to use it on others to get their kick. I get it, the cats outta the bag there is no going back to a safe America. We are on nofly lists for good reason. But that doesnt mean guns dont inspire people to kill. 100% of people who misuse guns to kill were inspired by having the gun.

 

Taking a bit of crack isn't enough for some people because crack always tastes like "more!". Some crack addicts steal to buy more crack. But using the drugs ain't a crime against somebody else. The cime is not a part of drug use, it is incidental to it. The drugs did not steal the person did.

Same with guns. Nobody on this planet has ever been killed by a gun unless that gun was defective. But plenty of people die from people acting negligently or criminally. Why don't you go after the root of the problem?

 

How would legalizing hard drugs secure the border? According to some, that's not where the drugs are coming from.

More people trying drugs because they are now legal, will somehow reduce ODs? Really?

So people being stoned or high, equates to 'liberty', in your opinion. Would you like to expound on that? Government regulation isn't any more 'liberty' than the drugs being illegal is.

 

Here you go.

https://transformdrugs.org/blog/drug-decriminalisation-in-portugal-setting-the-record-straight

 

No law prevents any type of homicide just as no law will prevent someone from driving drunk and killing someone or countless other things we have. Does this mean we should also not get rid of laws that prevent DWI or burglary or anything else?

 

Obviously it would not secure the border. How could it? Some argue that legalization would put cartels out of business, which is closer to the truth

Vast majority comes from legal ports of entry, and now also via drones.

Portugal decriminalized (not legalized) all drugs and now they have less ODs. People are more likely to seek help if they are not afraid of getting arrested.

People being able to make that choice without fear of getting arrested can be argued to equate to 'liberty'.

 

1.We cant have a secure border as long as citizens keep circumventing any measures in place to allow the most violent to cross for their product.

2.Because they can actually make informed decisions, and actually get what they pay for without fetanyl filler.

3. Yes. It was never the governments authority to restrict peoples right to do what they want with their own bodies as long as it doesnt interfere with others freedoms.

 

Unless you believe the "sociopathic element" in the US makes us unique in the world the logical conclusion is the fault lies with what does make the US unique in the world..........the mindboggling proliferation of gun ownership.

 

Portugal.

To remove the stigmatization of addiction (pretty much already exists) by decriminalizing the drugs. From a site that supports.... decriminalization.

I actually don't care if they decriminalize them or not, just that the penalties be higher, crimes committed because of them be stiffer, and it should never be 'normalized'. If people want to off themselves or trash their lives with addictive drugs, have at it. My concern is for those around them, both figuratively and literally.

 

It's La' Darius the Thug that's doing it. The gun didn't come to life and start shooting people.

 

At least you admit it's a person committing the crime...lol

 

1. Since several posters on here just refuted your statement, I'll leave it at that.
2. I have never encountered a drug addict who made an 'informed decision' regarding their drug source. Once the government regulates drugs (anything, really), prices go up. More people won't be able to afford their addiction....
3. I don't care if people want to pump their bodies full of chemicals, drugs or take things out of their body. What I DO care about is the (pardon me) collateral damage that ensues. I personally know about it, in more ways than one. The devastation wreaked on family, friends and other innocent bystanders if someone decides to go on the road while DUI.

Society does not need another way for people to inflict their addictions on the world.

 

Sorry but guns still have part.

 

One other post asked how could it, he didnt refute it. I answered how, you cant refute what I said.
We cant have a secure border as long as citizens circumvent any measures to do so for the drugs that cross over.

2. Your anecdotal circumstance is refuted by the data.

3. Irrelevant. Then seek other measures to combat those issues. Sacrificing liberty isnt an option.

 

STATISTICS ON DAILY GUN VIOLENCE IN AMERICA
DAILY GUN VIOLENCE IMPACTING PEOPLE OF ALL AGES IN THE U.S.
Every day, 327 people are shot in the United States. Among those:

• 117 people are shot and killed
• 210 survive gunshot injuries
• 90 are intentionally shot by someone else and survive
• 46 are murdered
• 67 die from gun suicide
• 10 survive an attempted gun suicide
• 1 is killed unintentionally
• 90 are shot unintentionally and survive
• 2 are killed by legal intervention*
• 4 are shot by legal intervention and survive
• 1 died but the intent was unknown
• 12 are shot and survive but the intent was unknown

https://www.bradyunited.org/key-statistics

I'm guessing you blaming La' Darius the Thug does not refer to white folks.

 

of course not because if someone does burglary and is incarcerated, they cannot burglarize innocents. the point you seem to miss is that the proper analogy is trying to stop burglary by banning crowbars or drunk driving by banning booze.

 

most gun shot deaths are suicides or felons killing felons. BTW the Brady group is incredibly biased

 

You're correct. That's why they'd almost rather have root canals than to actually address the criminal ilk that does the crime.
All we have to do is point to the many forum threads where the gang culture, thug culture, black on black weekend shootings are driving the gun homicide numbers up to epic records. Rarely will they address reality. They want YOUR GUNS the law-abiding gun owners. They'll tell the public that their guns are the problem.

They've deliberately distorted a violent gun culture, developed their own sick narrative to promote their own political agendas to make it a right verses left issue. Will Joe Biden say a word about the graduation shooting? Why would he? He can't use it for his party's advantage. Nothing to see here, move along now. He won't be going after guns like that. He wants to go after the NRA, white school shooters, scary looking long rifles, and ours, the collective law abiding's guns. The 19 year old had 4 handguns in his possession illegally. Nothing Biden and his lot can gain from this shooting.

 

A majority of the time, the person or persons who burglarize will do that type of thing until they are caught. here is a link in which 8 people were arrested for a smash-and-grab burglary ring. Noticed they are accused of more than 50 incidents before they were caught.

Now, these 8 won't do it again, but that won't stop copycats or other people who may also follow their lead in doing so.

 

There you go.