Don't tell us it's Guns

Go ahead and define "us".

 

Votes, you don't mess with the DNC dependents. EVER!! They want drugs, booze, guns, gangs, territories, crimes, extortion, racketeering.

No need to ask!

Neighborhood watch

 

I'm afraid you just answered your own question, we're just bad people and murderous by our very nature as Americans and we've always been like this.

Not you and me specifically but Americans in general, otherwise these problems would've been solved long ago.

 

let me see if I can make it clearer

1) the threat of punishment deters those who obey laws or worry about the consequences of being convicted

2) the actual punishment (incarceration) prevents repeat offending during the incarceration

passing malum prohibitum statutes to PREVENT violating malum per se offenses is moronic

 

Oddly enough, that's pretty much how the brains behind the tool(s) works! Just point and commit.. Unless you're saying the tool/firearm is on a leash and you command it to ATTACK

 

No, I did not answer my own question. I do not think "we" are bad people by nature nor are we murderous. I'm not painting with any fluffy, broad brushes to create an illusion. I have guns in my home. I'm not bad or murderous. I've had one traffic ticket in my entire life. I'm willing to bet that most gun owners are like me. Good, and decent people.

I'm looking at the sociopathic people who are doing most of the killing. As outlined in post one and post number 73. Why should the law-abiding gun owners, (WE), be punished, have our guns banned, have our rights infringed, have more silly gun control-band aid type legislation, because the damn government is blaming the wrong people? Shouldn't the government be addressing this lot?

 

Texas has the DP. We execute about 20 Death Row inmates a year on average. And yet, homicides in Texas have not been deterred. So how does the threat of punishment work with homicides? It doesn't.

Second, that is not the case. Depending on the type of crime along with other factors will depend on how long that person is in Prison. There is a high recidivism rate among former inmates. And that is due to the lack of job opportunities, among other things. Some are more restrictive, especially if that person has to register as a sexual predator. And it does not prevent copycat events or other things as well.

In the end, neither of your arguments prevents anything no matter how you look at it.

 

I 100% disagree, we are naturally bad because that's just what we are choosing to be and no one is doing anything to try and change it and at this point I don't think any of them care. If not, why are these issues still happening? Any other society having problems like this would've addressed it and put in more work to fix it, yet here we are with another mass shooting that's gonna re-ignite the gun debate yet again with nothing happening yet again.

 

do executed criminals repeat as offenders? you again miss the point. banning semi auto rifles or normal capacity magazines based on the claim that such malum prohibitum offenses will deter mass murderers is specious bullshit

 

1. How many need to refute your position for you to understand it's flawed?
2. Then post the 'data'. People who choose to do addictive substances, or continue to do addictive substances, aren't making 'informed choices. Period.
3. Flash: You have already sacrificed liberty in many ways, and government regulation to make addictive substances 'safer' is more government regulation. If you want true 'liberty', then you will do your choice of drugs regardless of what the government does.

 

We are talking about the crime, not the offender here, are we?

 

Guns make it easier.

And by 'it', of course I mean both murder AND defending oneself from murderers.

Its just the benefit of more effective self defense isn't a factor that those who prepare to be victims consider relevent to the equation, and they expect the rest of us follow them on their crusade of passive victimization and helpless dependency.

 

Whoopsie. For the record, I don't usually use Wiki for anything serious, but I don't have time today for a full hunt and search.

Recidivism rates
Released prisoners with the highest rearrest rates were robbers (70.2%), burglars (74.0%), larcenists (74.6%), motor vehicle thieves (78.8%), those in prison for possessing or selling stolen property (77.4%) and those in prison for possessing, using or selling illegal weapons (70.2%).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recid...h the highest,selling illegal weapons (70.2%).

Oh, here's another one.
Property crime resulted in the highest rates of recidivism.
Percent of prisoners re-arrested within 5 years of release, by initial crime.

PropertyDrugPublic orderViolent78%70%69%65%
Source:
Bureau of Justice Statistics.

 

and gun control makes things much tougher on legal defenders while not impacting murderers whatsoever

 

Didn't I say that in another post in which the US has a high recidivism rate?

 

But that's the trick isn't it. How to make it harder for criminals to obtain firearms while not making it harder for those who want to defend themselves from purchasing a firearm. No one has a NEON sign above their head that says, "Here I am, I am the bad guy here." But that is why some argue for mandatory background checks on all gun sales, including private sales. And most criminals get their firearms by private sales, not at Walmart or some other place where you have to have that background check on the firearm you are purchasing from a FFL dealer.

 

Psychopath criminals do not care about getting caught or going to prison, because one of the main characteristic of a psychopath is lack of fear. Its telling that 15-25% of US prison population show psychopathic traits. Having said that, psychopaths are not considered mentally ill (its a social behavioral issue), and not all are criminals, because many psychopaths are highly functioning professionals, even CEOs and high ranking military officers. However, a psycho in the wrong environment, like growing up in the gang-land, can result in a very dangerous individual. Unlike the rest of us, they cannot relate to pain / distress of others, so they don't care how much they hurt people around them.

What is psychopathy?
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2022/03/ce-corner-psychopathy#:~:text=About 1.2% of U.S. adult,10, 2020).
About 1.2% of U.S. adult men and 0.3% to 0.7% of U.S. adult women are considered to have clinically significant levels of psychopathic traits. Those numbers rise exponentially in prison, where 15% to 25% of inmates show these characteristics (Burton, B., & Saleh, F. M., Psychiatric Times, Vol. 37, No. 10, 2020).

 

They cited statistics. Refute them if you can. Are deaths by gun shot acceptable to you?

 

go ahead and tell me how this is done. Most criminals get guns from people who know they are criminals or from stealing them. tell us how a background check will impede that

 

Because that's the way it works.

 

gun control doesn't impede suicides and felons already are banned from possessing firearms

 

Most is not all.

 

what a strange answer. we reject punishing honest people due to the actions of others

gun banners aren't concerned about stopping criminals-they WANT TO PUNISH HONEST gun owners for political reasons

 

how do you enforce private sales background checks when both parties know the "buyer" is a felon

 

Disagree that it's a "WE" who is to blame.

Nothing is being done because the chronic grave dancers are politicizing gun violence to advance the Democratic Party's power.