Flood myth or biblical fact: Should believers swallow the Noah story?

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  1. Fallen

    Fallen Well-Known Member

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    Egypt did experience massive amount of water 12000 years ago. That is the reson that many geologist believe that based on the erosion on it, the sphinx was build 12 years ago. During that time the sphinx would be facing itself in the Constitution
     
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    You mean around the base of the Sphinx? Yes.. but that was NOT a global flood that covered the mountains. The probability is that the Sphinx was originally an Anubis.

    http://www.gigalresearch.com/uk/publications-sphinx-secret.php

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    This suggestion has become a pillar of many popular revisionist books when a geologist, Dr. Robert Schoch, argued that the erosion of one side of the Sphinx enclosure was due to water. Using theoretical models of the climate in ancient Egypt, Schoch dated the Sphinx to the 6th or 5th millennia, 2000 years older than the accepted date, though still five to six millennia too young for it to fit in the preferred timeslot of many, i.e. ca 10,000 BC, to make it “fit in” with theories of Atlantis and a lost civilisation. Recently, Colin Reader, an engineering geologist, has confirmed that the manmade enclosure walls are heavily eroded and that the Sphinx is older than the first pyramid, this based on the presence of a quarry behind the Sphinx which is known to have been used for the Great Pyramid. Unfortunately, Temple does not discuss Reader. He does address Schoch, by arguing that the Sphinx enclosure originally was a Sphinx Moat, and that the statue was surrounded by water.

    http://www.philipcoppens.com/sphinxmystery.html
     
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    The Bible does not claim the earth is 6000 years old at all.
    Some priest figured he could add the ages of the names in the genealogy and he got 6000 for a figure.

    But we KNOW the first seven "days" were NOT earth days of 24 hours, BECAUSE the sun did not become the time keeper until Gen 1:14, when the Solar Clock started ticking.
     
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    You don't have to torture science to make Genesis work.. Genesis was written after the Babylonian exile to create a history for a have not Canaanite tribe.. They borrowed mythos from everywhere.

    And there was NO mass extinction of humankind..
     
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    There are none alive now, and the 40,000 years have been over about 10,000 years at this point.
     
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    Migrations out of Africa south across the Bab al Mandab or north thru Sinai didn't mean the extinction of any population. Where did you come up with that claim?
     
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    The flood story is simply a war story. The word "flood" in the Bible is sometimes used as a methaphor for war or invasions. The Noah story contains a lot of war metaphors. It also serves as a backdoor way to suggest that Noah and the Jews should be credited for creating the Babylonian and Assyrian Empires through Noah's descendant Nimrod.

    It's basically a BS story but it has several uses. It even ties in with the First Commandment from Exodus 34:10-16.

    Since Assyria, Ethiopia, Persia, and Arabia existed at the time Adam & Eve were running around naked in the Garden of Eden = Genesis 2:10-14 = it's completely asinine for a rational 21st Century adult American to believe that the whole world was covered in water above the highest mountain peak.
     
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    Are you on drugs???? Noah was not Jewish, Jews did not even exists.
     
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    Noah was most likely the king of one of the city states along the Euphrates river.
     
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    So the bible says there was a worldwide flood, and other civilizations note there was a great flood but that means it didn't happen?
     
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    you can see the extent of flooding.

    Furthermore the under water city of the coast of asia.

    12000 years ago it would have been above water.
     
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    The Bible says the world is about six thousand years old. How do we arrive at that number?

    The Bible provides a complete genealogy from Adam to Jesus. You can go through the genealogies and add up the years. You'll get a total that is just over 4,000 years. Add the 2,000 years since the time of Jesus and you get just over 6,000 years since God created everything.


    And yes leave it up to religion.

    "What?seven? Heh. when the baible says 7 it really saying few billion."

    "What!?that doesn't many sense!?"

    "Oh well, I still believe that's what my bible means...
     
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    I don't have a sense of proportion re: the Black Sea or the whole topography.. but, if it was a creeping flood as the geologist seem to think, there would have been plenty of time to leave for higher ground.

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    Except there is plenty of evidence for human migrations 50,000 years ago.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/religion-philosophy/399438-trail-tools-reveals-modern-humans-path-out-africa.html
     
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    There is. You know when the last ice age ended 12000 years ago?

    Well, All the water from the glaciers melting had to go somewhere.The glaciers covered over 1/3 of the planet. Yes, that seems like a lot of water to me too.

    You still believe that there wasn't a global flood?
     
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    In the bible?

    Is this what we're talking about? I made sure to mention "according to the bible too...."

    Well according to the bible The earth is 6000 years old
     
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    Do you believe that a cave man 12,000 years ago built a giant wooden ship and loaded it with countless pairs of animals to escape the drowning that affected all other life forms?
     
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    You ignore the GENETIC EVIDENCE that the jewish priests do have a common father who lived in 1360BC, as was described in Exodus.
    This Exodus story is then dated to 1360BC or to exactly the same moment when a monotheistic, one God, Egypt also appeared for a short time.
    The Pharaohs therafter tried to hide this history from us all, but the archeological researchers discover the Pharaoh Akhenaten.


    AND,... Freud has long ago proposed this whole idea in his book written a century before the Geneti Evidence was discovered about priests, confirming Exodus in 1360BC:

    http://www.theexodusdecoded.net/index-quicktime.html

    In his 1939 book "Moses and Monotheism," Sigmund Freud presented the idea that Crown Prince Thutmose's younger brother Akhenaten was associated with the Biblical character Moses. The idea was more recently (1998) reconsidered by Egyptologist Jan Assmann in "Moses the Egyptian."

    The canonical Christian Acts of the Apostles (7:22) further claims that "Moses was educated in all the wisdom of the Egyptians" -- such as a Priest of Ptah or Aten. See [1] for historical discussion.
     
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    Hahhaaaaa,...
    No.
    That would be silly.
    The "ark" that could carry all the animals into the new world of only one type of human, modern man, had to be in a box that was holding the human mind, itself, a skull that would forever after be man on earth:

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    There is no such genetic evidence.. Many Jewish people are related to the Palestinians and others that lived in the Levant.. The Jewish patriarch all married foreign women from among the Canaanite tribes.. both Abraham and Moses had Arab wives..

    You make fruit salad out of science.. That's sad and desperate.
     
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    Neanderthals disappeared over the 40,000 years corresponding to the "flood-out-of-Africa."

    This Science Fact compares well with the Genesis story saying all mankind would become extinct except for Noah and his three sons, Caucasians, Mongolians, and Negros.


    Gen 6:7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

    8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
     
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    Nonsense.
    One of the greatest things about the Genetic Testing is that it supports the priests in that they were ONLY supposed to marry Levir-tes.

    If a Jewish priest married otherwise, he was no longer a priest, and his kids did not qualify to be priests either.
    The Jews rave about the evidence which shows this was maintained and the priests all married within Levite women.
     
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    No. I believe that human race were much more advanced

    Human civilization build near water. It's the best place to build a city.

    When water levels rose after the last ice age those cities got submerged.

    I believe we had grand cities. look at sites like puma punku

    Modern engineering say that this site is impossible to make with tools they had back then. Furthermore this structure is made of extremely hard substance. To cut this, they would have needed diamond tools.

    The H blocks were exactly the same. They interlock and fit together like the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle

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    or underwater pyramids off the coast of Japan.

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    http://www.rabbithole2.com/presentation/ancient/ancient_underwater_cities_found.htm
    They are all about 12000 years old.Thsee structures proves that before the great thaw, man build huge megalithic structures with unknown tools. Who knows what kind of tech they had. Time erased everything, and only stones are left behind
     
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