God does NOT exist

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  1. OJLeb

    OJLeb New Member

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    If Athiests are so certain there is no God, please go ahead and explain all of this (the universe) because I think the universe is proof enough that a God exists...

    Salam :E
     
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    I agree. i dont know who or how the computer i type on is made, god must of made it.
     
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    They can't explain it, that is their problem. So they hypothesize and limit themself to human reasoning unable to comprehend the supernatural, something they can't wrap their pea brains around so they subsititute man's wisdom for the wisdom that the Holy Spirit has given us through our belief in our Lord Jesus as our Savior.
     
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    God did not create the computer. He created the ones who played a part in making it all come about, the materials used, the imagination. Man plays catch up to all that God has given and worships the created, not the Creator.
     
  6. OJLeb

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    Your comparing the universe to a computer?

    Btw if you really wanted to know you could easily find out which company made your computer and how computers are made, since they are made by humans.

    But who made the humans?

    Salam :)
     
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    One could argue that a human is the sum total of many complex chemical reactions that came about through evolution.

    And if you mess with chemistry a human is no more...just dead meat.

    But I can not help but wonder.
     
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    Even if this is true we have no idea what the nature of this God is.
     
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    How do you know the Spirit that you claim access to is not the deciever ?

    You say wisdom comes from this spirit yet the pentacostals and their ilk seem to be blind to the contradictions between their beliefs and the Bible.

    To me it seems this spirit you speak of gives blindness not wisdom.

    Jesus sought knowledge and taught others to do the same.
    Ecclisiastes teaches to seek knowledge
    Proverbs teaches knowledge.
     
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    Well, some of us do have an idea. We read His Book, we have a relationship with Him through the Holy Spirit that indwells us. Try it sometime, you might come to the true knowledge of God and not some humaness concept of Him.
     
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    Of course, you would think the Spirit I claim may be the deceiver. This is exactly how satan is so successful in leading people astray. However it's not I following the deceiver, it is the one who rejects Jesus that servers his father, satan.
     
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    Fence sitter. Evolution as the secular world theorizes falls short on so many fronts that I find it laughable and wonder how you all can have so much faith in man, yet ignore the Creator. The world is complex because there is a God not because there is man.
     
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    Jesus says that you can know those influenced by the deceiver by their deeds.

    Jesus talks at length and gives instructions to "understand what this means" in referring to the Abomination of Desolation.

    The abomination of Desolation involves the claim to speak for God.

    Jesus gives further examples of exactly what he means .. false prophets - "many will come in my name" says Jesus "claiming to be the messiah" - the messenger of God.

    These are your words

    The truth is what I claim in the name of Jesus

    Does this not ring a bell ? "many will come in my name" claiming "The Truth/the position of the messiah"

    Jesus is the only one that can make that claim "The Truth"
    "Do not call yourself Master" is what Jesus says - Do not claim to speak for God - The abomination of desolation.

    The statment the truth is what I claim in the name of Jesus" comes from the deceiver according to Jesus.
     
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    So just randomly out of nowhere a bunch of chemical reactions just randomly started to create the universe? Where did the chemicals come from and what made them react?

    See IMO that's the biggest flaw of Atheism. If there is no God then how do you explain the universe? It makes no sense than randomly chemicals appeared from nothingness and formed the universe or humans or the stars. It all has to come from somewhere.

    Saying God doesn't exist because you can't see Him isn't a good enough theory. There's IMO more proof God does exist than he doesn't...

    Somewhat true, none of us personally know God. However religion is suppose to be a way to build a relationship with God (mainly talking about the Abrahimic faiths).

    But just saying God doesn't exist seems a bit ignorant and even arrogant...

    Salam :)
     
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    I have never claimed that God does not exist and indeed this would be arrogant.

    What is also arrogant is claiming to know the nature of God based on the Bible, Quran or any other book written by man.

    The height of arrogance and blasphamy is when humans, such as the Pope or Imam's claim to "speak for God" IMO .. and on this basis force others to adhere to the what the speaker claims is Gods word.
     
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    What church or church official is using 'force' to cause you "to adhere to what the speaker claims is Gods word."? What type of force is being used?
     
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    Sorry that wasn't directed at you specifically.

    I take it you aren't religious?

    Just to clarify, there is no Islamic equivalent to the Pope. Imams are simply scholars who have studied Islam very thoroughly, but they don't speak for God or are appointed by God or anything like that.

    Salam :)
     
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    Generally the burden of proof lies with the party of the affirmative.
     
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    Been through this with you so many times it hurts and repeating the obvious is not going to change your opinion.

    Go review our previous conversations.

    Abortion law in Ireland is one example. There are hundreds of others.
     
  20. Incorporeal

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    The abortion laws (secular) in another country is having a negative affect on you ?
     
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    I will not, however, ask you to prove your AC current exists. I have scientific evidence that it does and do not dispute your findings.
     
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    Indeed. You could even go so far as to say it is the antithesis of reason. In fact, I will say just that.
     
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    Some could argue our life is evidence God exists.

    Salam :)
     
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    The 'antithesis' of normal thinking? Interesting.
     
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    Well then why are you wasting your time on a debate forum? :confused:
     

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