Jesus' last words

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  1. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    I have often wondered how Christians rationalized Jesus' last words "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?". This seems a good place to find out.
     
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    The Trinity. Jesus is God, the Father is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Scripture. While in human form, Jesus was just like any other man. The book of Phillipians says he was God, yet he left his position and became a man.
     
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    Likely, if he actually said that, he was pissed off about being tortured and killed. Anyone would be but he seems to have had more reason for it.

    A God who is his own son and therefore kills himself while telling everyone else he will condemn them forever if they do so is creating confusion so he might have been rambling.
     
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    Jesus died for your sins and everyone's. If you don't realize you're a sinner, you're gonna have to stand before the one who died for you and justify it. Good luck.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    So God was unaware he was God?
     
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    Fairy tales are the best..
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh...I am well aware I sin by his standards and yours, hell I lust every freakin' day. If by chance he is siting there awaiting me and would judge me unworthy below angry deceitful pervy "Christians" I do not want to be anywhere near him anyway. That would also save me from people like you.
     
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    How do you reach that conclusion?
     
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    Okay. Good luck.
     
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    And to you :)
     
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    I thought Jesus' last words were, "just kidding ...".

    I always find it a bit a strange when Christians talk about Jesus' "sacrifice" when He knew He wasn't going to die and he only suffered for a couple of days as a human anyway. We hear of people tortured for years and people who suffer chronic illness with extreme pain for decades ... and Jesus knew he wasn't going to actually "die". He basically passed a couple of kidney stones and went into a coma for a week.
     
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    What Jesus actually said was" My God,my God, I have been living a lie"
     
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    I think it helps to read Psalm 22. Many believe that he quoted scripture during his anguish and a reading of Psalm 22 seems to bear that out. Jesus was totally human, dealing with the pain and anguish human beings deal with.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Uh, didn't he say "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" He sounds unaware he is talking to himself.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Do you believe that and why would he quote that line if he knew he was God?
     
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    Yes I do believe that. He was God but separate as human. He was as human as you and I but without sin. He was tempted by Satan and depended on the knowledge of scripture to overcome temptation. He also had a heartfelt prayer before he was arrested where he prayed.....“My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.” Matthew 26:36-39

    The Trinity is not the easiest thing to understand, ---it is three totally separate entities, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit which is God.
     
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    The Jesus character finally comprehended that his mommy had lied to him all his life about his daddy being the Holy Spirit. As he was wiggling on the cross he realized that his parlor tricks and imaginary daddy wasn't going to save him.
     
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    The rhetorical question posed in Psalm 22 appears to have been answered in Psalm 23; most succinctly in these verses:

    Even though I walk through the darkest valley,
    I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.

    You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies.
    You anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows.

    Surely your goodness and love will follow me all the days of my life,
    and I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.


    So what appears to be an abandonment of Jesus on earth (in Psalm 22) is actually the signal of his everlasting place in the house of the Lord (in Psalm 23).
     
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    I find often the context of a specific verse is necessary for a better understanding of its meaning:

    Matthew 27, YLT

    "37 and they put up over his head, his accusation written, `This is Jesus, the king of the Jews.'

    38 Then crucified with him are two robbers, one on the right hand, and one on the left,

    39 and those passing by were speaking evil of him, wagging their heads,

    40 and saying, `Thou that art throwing down the sanctuary, and in three days building [it], save thyself; if Son thou art of God, come down from the cross.'

    41 And in like manner also the chief priests mocking, with the scribes and elders, said,

    42 `Others he saved; himself he is not able to save! If he be King of Israel, let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe him;

    43 he hath trusted on God, let Him now deliver him, if He wish him, because he said -- Son of God I am;'

    44 with the same also the robbers, who were crucified with him, were reproaching him.

    45 And from the sixth hour darkness came over all the land unto the ninth hour,

    46 and about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a great voice, saying, `Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?' that is, `My God, my God, why didst Thou forsake me?'

    47 And certain of those standing there having heard, said -- `Elijah he doth call;'

    48 and immediately, one of them having run, and having taken a spunge, having filled [it] with vinegar, and having put [it] on a reed, was giving him to drink,

    49 but the rest said, `Let alone, let us see if Elijah doth come -- about to save him.'

    50 And Jesus having again cried with a great voice, yielded the spirit;

    51 and lo, the vail of the sanctuary was rent in two from top unto bottom, and the earth did quake, and the rocks were rent,

    52 and the tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who have fallen asleep, arose,

    53 and having come forth out of the tombs after his rising, they went into the holy city, and appeared to many.

    54 And the centurion, and those with him watching Jesus, having seen the earthquake, and the things that were done, were exceedingly afraid, saying, `Truly this was God's Son.' "

    My first thoughts as to why Jesus felt forsaken by God is due to the reaction of the people He was suffering for. They were not seeing Him as a sacrifice, rather they were seeing Him as a charlatan. This was likely to be expected, but actually experiencing it, I would imagine, would not be something one can ever be prepared for. Its important to remember: Jesus came to live as a Human and experience our struggles. This means He had emotions that could overtake His reason just like the rest of us.

    It could also just have been the result of delusion from blood loss, oxygen depravation, exhaustion, dehydration and/or heat stroke... this was, after all, moments before dying from crucifixion.
     
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    This is a reasonable question.

    It does, however, have an answer.

    Jesus was both human and divine--an admixture of the two.

    The human Jesus felt forsaken by God the Father.

    Yet the divine Jesus knew that it was his destiny to die on the cross; without which, the sins of all others could never be redeemed. (A perfect God simply could not have imperfect beings in heaven--not without a substitutionary expunging of that guilt, anyway.)
     
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    Jesus was a Jew; so He often quoted the Scriptures (which, by definition, were the Old Testament scriptures; there were no New Testament scriptures at the time).
     
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    I am just trying to figure out--as I long have been--why the left feels that it is okay to mock the right; but not okay in reverse. (For instance, if theists were to mock atheists--in general--that would not be okay; but the other way around...well, it is okay...)
     
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    Why do you assume it was a lefty there are plenty of righty atheists and go ahead mock atheists. I think they can take it.
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    No luck for me. Faith in Jesus only.
     
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    Was Jesus a man on the cross?
     
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