Part 26 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

It was John Brown a Christian and his Christian followers that would fight for the freedom of slaves and it would be Christian not atheist that would respond to President Lincoln's call for the freedom of slavery this is historical fact no atheist leaders have ever fought in the name of freedom.

 

I have never said that we are not all alike... we are all sinners... some of us however have an advantage over the others... some of us are saved by the grace of God.

I threw in the word slavery, because that is another one of the non-theists favorite complaints that they like to lodge against God.

 

I can see that you still continue to laugh and find in comical all the historical facts.This is the very reason why Christians are growing in numbers because truth matters.

 

You are entitle to your opinion even if it is untrue that is why Truth matters.
I don't have to make up lies because one can not lie or deny historical facts.

 

Christians upheld slavery in the US and fought a civil war to preserve it if you recall.. Christians persecuted Jews for 2,000 years and blamed them for plagues... The also accused them of blood libel.. Christians also burned 100,000 witches.......

So are you inventing history and scriptures now???

 

As if there were no Atheist or non-theist slave owners during that time?

 

That sounds as real as the Shroud of Turin.

 

He always has done. Truth is not his watchword.

The first call for the abolition of slavery was back in 17th century England. The first action against it also came from the UK, Lincoln taking it up from us.

 

As far as I am aware this tablet has not been denied by any archaeologist. It is unusual as it is written on stone in the style of the time of the Dead Sea scrolls. It appears to have been part of a wall. I see no reason for this to be a hoax. It is worth little except as an insight into earlier thinking, and that is limited as only 40% can be read, the rest illegible.
The last 100-150 years have turned up many things which are undoubtedly real and have given us much information on the past ancient civilisations and the authenticity of some of the Bible History (Era of the Kings) in the Tanakh.

Turin Shroud. To my mind it is a fraud, and not 'shrouded' in mystery as some claim.

 

So you're saying it's OK for Christians to torture because they believe their god will forgive them..,.......pathetic excuse....

I never mentioned slavery.

 

I have to call BS on it because it's not reasonable to think that a slab that size laid around on the ground unbroken and still has readable ink after 2,000 years. It's a fake. I'm surprised that no one has found the pieces of the stone tablets that Moses broke. They're sure to turn up any day now.

 

Christians and atheist justified slavery thru the story of Ham.. Basically stupid..

 

Are you suggesting then that there were no Atheist slave owners prior to the era in which the story of Ham was set?

 

I think its authentic.. The question is what does it say.. Some think that its about Israel as in Ephraim .. others think its about Jesus.

 

I thought you took the Bible and the Noah story literally??? Its called the curse of Ham.. God cursed Canaan the son of Ham.

Genesis 9:25

And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

 

That's what happens when you start making assumptions. Much of the 'Bible' is metaphoric and therefore cannot be taken literally. Now it is up to the individual reader to determine which parts are metaphoric. BTW: by strict definition of the term "servant", not all servants are 'slaves'.

 

Huh? I just did. Look let me repeat what I've already said. Scripture tells us God knows all things, past, present, future. Everything that is exists only because He knows it. So for God "not to know" is for the thing not only not exist but unable to exist. All that has being or could possibly have being is known to God. There can be no sense whatsoever in which God looks to the world so as to grow in knowledge of that which He has created. God is all about Truth.

Besides the story of Abraham, the story of Job is another example of God knowing something to be true and making this truth to be known to others who did not know it before God made it to be known.

 

Have you ever READ it?

20 Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard. 21 When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent.[1] 22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father's nakedness and told his two brothers outside. 23 But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father's nakedness. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father's nakedness. 24 When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him, 25 he said,"Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers." 26 He also said, "Blessed be the LORD, the God of Shem! May Canaan be the slave of Shem. 27 May God extend the territory of Japheth; may Japheth live in the tents of Shem, and may Canaan be his slave."

 

So obviously you are in denial that you distort the Bible. Not surprising since you have proven yourself many times over as not to be an honest person.

You have said many things that distort the Bible. Below are several quotes of yours that illustrates your distortions of the Bible:

 

The book of Job..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Job

 

Nope.. I am a Christian.. just not your sort of Christian.

 

In your opinion there is no good evidence, however in the minds of billions of others there is good evidence that He was.

I don't consider your opinions to be proof of anything. People come to believe not because they have proof but because they have faith. Furthermore there are no contradictory accounts, anything that appears to be contradictory can be explained to illustrate there are no contradictions.

Lastly what does the writing of the books decades later have to do with anything? The bottom line for Christians is this....whether the Gospels were written soon after the death of Christ, or not until 30 years after his death, does not really matter, because their accuracy and authority does not rest on when they were written but on what they are: the divinely inspired Word of God.

Not true, they all are depicting Jesus claim to be God.

Again your opinion coming from someone who has a finite mind who thinks the plan of an omnipotent God who has an infinite mind is absurd...now talk about absurdity...your opinion spews absurdity on the highest of highest levels...lol

The Holy Bible is just not a series of books, it is the Word of God. It is God speaking to us through the Scriptures of the Holy Bible.
Would you prefer that He pops into your life periodically to tell you that you are screwing up and that you need to shape up? Or how about everytime you are about to do some sinful act He would stop you in your tracks by zapping you with a quarter of an amp of electricity to get your attention. Would you prefer God to be that way with us?

I bet you like the way it is right now in that He has given everyone of us the gift of free-will to choose to believe/not believe in Him, to choose to do what is righteous or choose to do what is sinful.

 

Nobody would believe the Dead Sea Scrolls would survive. This was bought from an antiques dealer but no-one is sure where it came from and the seller is not known. It was in one persons hands for 10 years before a Hebrew scholar saw it and identified it as similar to the Dead Sea Scrolls only on stone. If this had been in a cave for 2000 year there is no reason why it should not be genuine. And it is broken.

 

A positive claim, and you only have your word to go on. tsk tsk.

 

Another who takes some parts literal and others as stories. And all of it written by man and his error prone ways.