Please explain the Coronavirus. Is it that deadly or not?

Still a bit early for clarity, we may never have exact numbers for COVID-19. Just as we do not have exact numbers for the flu, only estimates. The Diamond Princess Cruise ship study, although a small sample size, does provide some insights. It suggests a bit higher mortality rate than the flu but the ship's population is likely skewed by older passengers. As with most cruise ships I suspect more than a few oxygen tanks or personal oxygen concentrators were carried on board.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0452_article

"By February 28, a total of 705 COVID-19 cases were confirmed among 4,061 passengers and crew tested; 392 cases were asymptomatic, 36 persons were admitted to intensive care units, and 6 patients died (2). All case-patients from the ship were transferred to designated medical institutions in Japan (3)."

 

There is no known immunity to this disease, unlike there is immunity from the common flu.

Sorry, my mistake using the wrong medical term. Instead of antibiotics I should have said vaccine.

 

I doubt there is anyone in the world who is vapid enough to deny that it is deadly. That said, you are most likely fine.

 

The media is not behaving like they did during the Obama admin. Back then, they were always positive, trying to sooth public fears by saying how the feds have it under control. With Trump, the media are doing the exact opposite, hence the ensuing market panic.

The market loves a panic, it allows them manipulate the market and get rich selling off, buying low, etc... and if the media and politicians are going to assist them by ensuing a panic, the banksters will take advantage of it.

From the CDC: The 2009 H1N1 Pandemic: A New Flu Virus Emerges

From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.

And do you know what the stock market did during that time? It did not fall a point, it just rose. So when the media and the politicians politicize a virus they can really cause a lot of bad things to happen, just because it's an election year and too many of them will do anything, say anything, and cause anything to defeat Trump.

This virus is most lethal against the elderly. So if by blind chance, it happens that a nursing home is a target, that is just bad luck, are you going to seriously suggest it's the fault of who the President is?

 

If we use mortality rate as our measure . . .and we probably should . . . then it isn't comparable to the flu because it is worse than the flu. Yes, the flu kills more people . . . because "the flu" encompasses several viruses, not just one, and because those collective viruses are already widespread in the US. While we don't want to overstate the threat, we shouldn't understate health concerns just to protect the irrational feeeeeeelz of Trump and his cult.

 

Even Gavin Newsom has to credit the feds for the way they are handling this virus. He even complimented the President.

 

You're the one who is trying to make a weak analogy.

Yes, the USA is the most prepared and all I am referring to is the fact that the Trump admin did eliminate the very team which would have already made this transition better. If Trump would just shut the ef up, maybe his team could quell the panic better, but no, he has to go off on his half-cocked ideas and contradict what his team says.

 

The panic is being manufactured and peddled by Democrats and their media pets, aside from violating their rights, what can Trump do?

 

Use existing tests instead of deciding to make their which didn't work?

They could have done that.

 

He can more cosistently tell the truth.

He can more consistently listen to experts.

He can stop trying to cut the CDC.

He can think more about the many millions of Americans in the high human contact service sectors who can't afford not to work.

 

Please tell us how Democrats are scaring you - and Wall Street.

 

What's this "the media"? Is that Foxnews? Breitbart? Alex Jones? Rush Limbaugh? Matt Drudge? Washington Examiner? Ny Post? Because that media was definitely not Obama-friendly during the Obama admin. And Foxnews, as they like to brag, is number 1 ranked network. If you want to talk about "the media" it's stupid to not include one of the biggest media giants in the country, and which just happens to be rabidly anti-Obama. Remember that time Obama wore a tan suit? Saluted with a coffee cup in hand?

This is laughable. The market hates panic. The market wants a steady dependable upward trajectory it can bank on because that's what investors want.

Coronavirus is not the flu. Why do you think these countries are all freaking out? Think.

Because it was the flu. Again, think. Why is the market panicking now? Why is Italy imploding? Why did China lock down 500 million people? Because this was the flu? Or because it was something new?

I agree, both sides should leave politics out of it.

I'm not suggesting it's Trump's fault. But he had a chance to talk straight to Americans and he blew it by continually downplaying things. Now that it's obvious this is a major problem and will only get worse, no one's going to listen to Trump. He wasn't even at the press briefing. Everyone's going to listen to that little guy with the grey hair who actually seems to know what he's talking about.

But by all means, if you believe Dr. Trump, go to his rallies, keep shaking hands, buy stock, go on a cruise. I wouldn't recommend doing any of that, but why listen to me? Trump clearly knows more than all the experts. He's the stable genius!

 

But it was Trump that told you people with coronavirus were going to work and going on about their lives. You didn't hear that from the CDC or any other health official. They just said it was now a community disease, like half the country is going to know what that means.

 

They don't scare me, but they sure have folks up in arms. The markets are global the primary concerns aren't originated here, although promoting panic does have a tertiary effect...

 

This thing has killed over a thousand world wide in a couple weeks and it's spreading fast

How bad is the US response that this thread even exists.

Great job Trump

 

What response? We can't even test our own people. What a **** show.

 

You really want to put the health of Americans in foreign hands? Creating our own tests is the only sensible solution...

 

It seems to be selecting for older people with other health issues (cancer, heart disease, kidney issues, diabetes (and smokers)). Children seem to have some innate immunity (so far). Over 50 years old are at risk. Mortality is very high for people over 80 (15% - if I recall correctly).

 

You are comparing apples to oranges. The flu rate is based on results of lab tests and doctors diagnosis based on symptoms. Corona virus rate is based only on lab tested diagnosis.
Many say corona virus symptoms are similar to mild cold. Let’s think - how many people go to a doctor and skip work/school due to minor cold? I bet it’s somewhere in 1 in 100 cases (at least in the US where most people have to pay a copay for each visit and don’t want to waste $20 on a copay just to hear the same old - go buy Tylenol). So, your 1%-3% is probably closer to 0.01%-0.03%.
Much lower than that of a flu.
By the way, I live in Illinois and just a week ago had a very mild cold. I recovered, but both of my kids are having a very mild cold. We aren’t taking them to a doctor and I didn’t go myself - again, why waste $20 a pop to be told to buy Tylenol? It’s quite possible that my family already had corona virus. Half of my office is sick - a few have pretty severe colds, others are having mild ones. Nobody is dying.
From my personal observation, it looks like millions in the US already had this virus and recovered.

As for mortality for old people - to them, common cold and flu can be deadly. How is corona virus different? In the past some elderly could get a cold, then this cold complicated into pneumonia and that old person died from pneumonia. With corona virus, elderly people are getting this corona virus and it complicates into pneumonia, but when they die, everyone counts it as death by corona virus.
I’ve never seen such a wild overhype in my life! I think the fact that so few people own the mass media results in a hunt for sensational news to increase profits by this huge corporations. They are doing well right now because you are reading every link you see, which drives their advertising revenue.

I am beginning to think that the US should break up large mass media corporations, as this is beginning to become a real national security threat. I think Chicago Trubune must be owned by Chicago area company. Minneapolis Star Tribune should be owned by Twin Cities company. Same with LA Times. I hope you get the drift.

 

It seems to be selecting for older people with other health issues (cancer, heart disease, kidney issues, diabetes (and smokers)). Children seem to have some innate immunity (so far). Over 50 years old are at risk. Mortality is very high for people over 80 (15% - if I recall correctly).

 

Ignorance. What do you remember from back in ‘09? Do you remember Quarantines? Mass hysterias? Hoarding of toilet paper and sanitizer? Cancellation of major events? Cancellation of air and cruise travel. Well, neither do I because it never happened. However what did happen in a period of 6 months was 50 million infected, almost 1/4 million hospitalized and 10,000 dead.

CDC: H1N1 Flu Sickened 1 in 6 Americans by Mid-November

By Daniel J. DeNoon
WebMD Health News

Reviewed By Louise Chang, MD

Dec. 10, 2009 -- H1N1 swine flu killed 10,000 Americans, sent 213,000 to the hospital, and sickened 50 million -- a sixth of the population -- by mid-November, the CDC estimates.

 

Very well said.

 

Not deadly, just nasty.

Corona virus has an R0 number of around 2.4 while the seasonal flu has a rate of about 1.3. What his means is that it will spread nearly twice as fast and be more difficult to contain.
In other words each person that gets it will likely infect 2.4 other people vs 1.3.

The death rate is somewhere between 0.6% to 3.4% of the people that get it. Generally the flu is 0.1%.

So the concern is that twice as many people will catch it and ten times as many will die from it, and the hospital system may be overwhelmed.

 

It might work to starve out a bacteriophage phage virus.

 

15 years advancement in protocols. It's not that the disease is dramatically different, it's that we are. We just didn't bother trying to contain it, during the SARS outbreak. I mean we did, but just not like this.