Religions are fairy tales for adults. Should we encourage them to grow up?

Hmmm,...
I didn't necessarily mean physical fighting.

Patriarch VS Matriarch or Liberal vs Conservative in America today are examples of men fighting and not working together on issues.
But the big picture is War.
History is often told based only upon wars.

 

After 70 AD the whole of the Jews disappeared from Israel and went everywhere, didn't they?

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So is Reality the force you respect as master over man, ultimately?

 

No, Long before the birth of Jesus more Jews lived outside Palestine than in it.. There were large Jewish communities in Alexandria, Rome and Damascus as well as on Elephantine Island and in what is now Turkey.. and Iran.

 

A vast number of those Jews fled west and south - away from the Roman empire.

I visited that messed up and confused website. Why do you take your spiritual knowledge from that website? Many of what it says is flat out false.

Those Jews didn't come on ships as slaves. Point blank.

The religious tomes, huh?
What is your idea of a higher power?

 

The site seems dead right to me.

Perhaps you mean it differs from what you think scripture tells us in places?

 

But they all came from West Africa. You're just proving my point.

The reason no one predicted this is for several reasons. First off, who would want to reveal to the African American community that they are descendants of King Solomon and King David; especially since only 50-60 years ago, we had a Civil Rights Movement in America. I mean, there's still discrimination against people of color.

 

The website is wrong, and all its doing is confusing you more and more and more. This is why it's so imperative that the true Hebrew Israelites wake up. Otherwise the world will continue to be just as confused as you are.

 

No, I'm not. The fact that they are from the same coast does not prove that they are the same people any more than the fact that they are from the same continent makes them the same people. Those who lived and live on the west coast of Africa as every bit as diverse as people who lived all over Europe. You are offended when people pretend that all Africans are the same, and then you turn around and do the same for West Africans.

In other words, it was all forced to fit after the fact, as with pretty much every other prophecy. Why is it too much to ask for clarity in prophecy?

 

I'm not against what you are trying to do here, and see that you have used Deuter 28 to make a point, but the beginning of Dueter 28 is addressed to the Jews, who are promised great things if they obey the scriptures.
Then, God says what bad things he will do to the Jews if they fail to do what s asked of them:

15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

Hence this chapter is explicitly addressed to the Jews.
Hence I believe if we research we will find it did happen to them.

 

So you deny that Rev 11:7-13 makes historical sense and explains things which you could never do?

 

... and, "After 70 AD the whole of the Jews disappeared from Israel and went everywhere, didn't they?"

 

Revelation 11:7-13King James Version (KJV)

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

King James Version (KJV)

This was about the fear that Nero would come back to life and invade with an army of Parthians.. Up until about the 5th century AD many believed the beast would be reincarnated and start up the persecutions again.

 

That prophecy hasn't been fulfilled yet, and that crooked website is just confusing you more and more.

Well, you're already a bit confused. You think the Khazar Jews are the real Jews, yet...

Revelations 2:9;3:9 says, "“I know about your suffering and your poverty—but you are rich! I know the blasphemy of those opposing you. They say they are Jews, but they are not, because their synagogue belongs to Satan. Look, I will force those who belong to Satan’s synagogue—those liars who say they are Jews but are not—to come and bow down at your feet. They will acknowledge that you are the ones I love."

What you just said makes absolutely no sense concerning the West Coast of Africa. So, considering your argument for that as broken down, we'll go on to your next argument.

You claim reality is being forced into every other prophecy. These are the words of an atheist who refuses to accept reality. I don't think I have anything else to say.

 

I'll try to make it simpler. Everything you said before about Africa is true about West Africa. They are not a single people. They speak different languages, they have different religions, they have different histories. Lumping them all together as "Hebrews" makes no sense.

Your exact same argument could be used to "prove" that the Angles are the ones prophesied in Deuteronomy 28. It is a shakey conspiracy theory with no basis in reality.

 

Revelations isn't speaking of the Khazars????? For God's sake. They are just the Jews that rejected Christ as the Messiah.

 

He doesn't realize that recent Genetic Tests have shown the the European Jews are the same Jews once in Israel 2000 years ago, (or related directly to them).

I am certain the the West Coast Africans wil genetically fail such tests.
But for the passage if Deuteronomy 28 is to make sense the way he says, the people referred to must be Jews.
Hence unless the West Coast Africans are genetically Jews, then he is wrong.

 

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So it never happened hence things like 31/2 "days" doesn't mean 1942-1945?
And the dead bodies laying in the streets of Germany and Poland, etc does not refer to the naked Jews we can still see on TV re-runs of the Holocaust?
The two prophets of Israel, the people of Jacob and Judah, shall not be put into graves, either, as they we burned up.
And people of different tongues, and kindred, and Nations of Europe will see them and make merry and sent gifts of skin and gold teeth to one another?

That will happen later according to Qchan but just didn't happen in the 5th century?

 

I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic....

You are free to think however you wish, ya know?

 

Many people hold the opinion Jews are a single race or ethnicity rather than Jews being part of the Judaism religion.

 

The basic issue is what people find to be compelling, isn't it? What theists find compelling I typically find risible, because they have a theistic bias that I do not have ever since I quit theism.

If you find anything Qchan or cupid dave have said compelling, then I have to conclude, based on my experiences with their claims, that it's your basic desire to believe in what they believe in that is behind that, and not the merits, objectively speaking, of what they say.

 

" Quote Originally Posted by Durandal View Post
Your BS differs strongly from Qchan's. I wonder which of you has it right?"

I responded with:
"They both do and you do also. Depending on which perspective you are willing to accept as true."

"Quote Originally Posted by Durandal View Post
They don't, actually, but I suspect you don't apply any standard of evidence to Christian claims."

I responded with:
"Sure I do. Proof = evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true. Applicable to religious claims as well as secular claims. What is acceptable as proof is dependent upon the individual. What the individual will accept is dependent upon the individuals experiences (which includes his/her educational background as well as all other experiences had during his/her lifetime)."

Then you make this comment @ post 671:
" The basic issue is what people find to be compelling, isn't it? What theists find compelling I typically find risible, because they have a theistic bias that I do not have ever since I quit theism.

If you find anything Qchan or cupid dave have said compelling, then I have to conclude, based on my experiences with their claims, that it's your basic desire to believe in what they believe in that is behind that, and not the merits, objectively speaking, of what they say. "

So, in view of that chain of postings, I will simply say that your 'suspect' idea is in error. No where in that chain of discussion did I say or infer that I was compelled by either, qchan or cupid dave or even you. What I did say was "They both do and you do also. Depending on which perspective you are willing to accept as true." Instead of asking for clarification, you immediately jumped to a conclusion that you suspect that I don't apply any standard of evidence to Christian claims. To which I stated that I do, and further stated that I apply the same standards to Christian claims as I do to secular claims... which standard was that which is described at the definition of 'proof' found here www.tfd.com/proof definition #1.

So, Yes! The basic issue is what people find to be compelling. Which includes you as pointed out as my response to your question: "Your BS differs strongly from Qchan's. I wonder which of you has it right?" You make a determination as to which one is right.. as was pointed out in your comment: "They don't, actually, but I suspect you don't apply any standard of evidence to Christian claims." Which infers that their determinations, individually or collectively, are subordinate to your determination regarding "they". So you made a positive assertion without offering any evidence to support your assertion that you are right and they are wrong.

As for my basic desire.. again you are in error. My basic desire is that all men and women and children come to know the Lord Jesus as their source of eternal life. Of course on that subject I have to be objective and realize that not all will make that decision, but it remains my basic desire that they should make a decision in favor of Jesus.

 

Maybe there is no god at all, just like there is no bigfoot, no yeti, no Lochness Monster, no Santa, and no Easter Bunny.

 

If we are talking supernatural Gods than we have no argument my friend.

If we are talking of the concept of an ideal, which is what seeking God is all about, as compared to finding one and becoming an idol worshiper, then we might have a discussion without a fight or argument.

I agree with Freud and Jung and their Father Complex which basically explain why we seek an ideal to hold above us.

It is because we seek to emulate that one and become the fittest of our species. It is our instincts pushing us to lead and reap the rewards of that leading.

Regards
DL

 

According to modern scientist the earth was once a water planet and that the earth is in danger of being covered with water or desert sands again due to climate change.
Scientist are now warning people to change their ways and to exert more efforts in preventing the earth from going under water.

 

The earth was never a water planet.. You don't understand what you are reading. They think Pangea was over 300 million years ago.. before humans inhabited the earth.