Seriously...What would it take for a GOD to prove itself?

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I tell you Christ said he was Truth, personified and his father was the ever unfolding Reality which creates more and more Truth,... but you ignore that, but focus on these other people you can ridicule.

 

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Societies are all built upon seven foundation Institutions, each that controls behaviors.

Do you believe the Political Institution is bad because it makes Laws?
What about the Educational Institution?
Is that evil and controlling??

 

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The reports in the New Testament stated things which appeared then to be supernatural.
What is you question here about?

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What about the Institution of Motherhood?
Do you see that as unwarranted control over society?

What are you talking about here?

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There were two Herods, though.
Get them straight and you'll see the Bible is correct.

 

I understood your point, but because you do not understand their religion (since you do not practice it), you cannot hold them accountable to rules you do not practice yourself.

 

According to the folks that claimed to speak for him....the Christ said many things now known to be falsehood or not attributed to him...is such a man even existed. Why would this one be seen otherwise?

Regardless the things claimed of him in biblical text are not scientifically possible and none have provided compelling evidence they could have been possible. Personal belief is not in any way compelling.

 

Observation in science does not mean that a conscious observer observes something. Stop pretending like it does.

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There were more than two Herods, but adding more to the list doesn't solve the Bible's problem.

 

Of course it exists, we are here and so is The Universe its just we are still using our reason and instruments of science still working things out we don't know everything yet but that's fine. We don't know, so some Supernatural force did it is kind of a silly position over we don't know yet but are working on it until we do.

 

Qchan..... I do believe that it is important that we Christians admit to how badly off track we truly have fallen!

http://www.heavennet.net/visions/the-hordes-of-hell-are-marching.htm

 

What a truly fascinating concept!!!!!

Do you like how near death experiencer Christian Andreason worded what he was shown about the reincarnation cycle?

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

For the record........ evidence exists that you..... Cupid Dave live on and on and on in a paradise/heaven after your death..... and it is only a part of you that reincarnates. Both Elijah as well as John the Baptist would still be in heaven..........
and frankly.... the little guy Colton Burpo saw Messiah Yeshua - Jesus with his cousin John... with his grandfather King David... with his mom....... and with Samson. But..... it is also possible for a part of all of those people to be within people who are here on earth with us now........ I suspect that certain people if hypnotized and regressed to the year 25 C. E. or 1010 BCE would be able to add amazing details to what we read in scripture.

 

My wife has taken me to some church meetings where people reported having had this experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hyf0mFCEnbM

Tony Kemp Sid Roth Supernatural Weight Loss

 

That being of light Dude who meets with people who have a brush with death shown interested people a version of events that sure seems to fit with various models proposed by theoretical physicists.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html#a05

 

What would you think if somebody could present evidence that could be verified that their DNA had been altered after their NDE?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYLL_kEptFA
Evangelist Lee Stoneking ~ United Nations General Assembly Address

 

I would be curiously hesitant to believe any of it. Though my own mother experienced a NDE which changed her life path dramatically and helped her to become the amazing person she is...DNA changes are something I see as far beyond the paranormal possibilities. The biological and genetic alteration of our bodies does not seem likely from a purely mental experience.

 

True..... from the little bit that I know on this subject...… documented evidence of major changes in DNA from a before NDE event to tests done afterward......… seems like something that would be extremely unlikely to happen by pure chance.

 

I agree. However, I do not believe that DNA has ever changed after ana NDE.

 

I don't believe this has much to do with ChrisL's complaint.

 

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If Jesus never existed, what he said is still accurate today.

Truth defines the Reality men must adapt to or face possible extinction.

 

"He" does need be conscious, as we apply that term to man.

Observing is all "He" need do.

 

I may have misunderstood what this man claims but I got the impression that the DNA related tests that he had done after his NDE indicated an alteration in DNA. His physician told him that the healing that he received during his NDE had removed the DNA markers indicating a tendency toward heart disease. Unless my understanding of his claim is flawed....... he seems to be claiming a healing that went all the way to his genetic code???????

This is a six minute film and if I remember correctly that part of his claim is given after the four minute mark..... near to the end of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYLL_kEptFA

Evangelist Lee Stoneking ~ United Nations General Assembly Address

 

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The Copenhagen Interpretation tells us that NOTHING material can exist unless the Wave Functions which carry the information (to describe a material matter) are collapsed by observation.

 

I agree that the genes contain the information which can and will resurrect the mental part of us which is our Unconscious mind.
We will all be back in times to come.

"For just as the Father raises the dead (who rest in the human gene pool) and gives them life (again), even so, (Holy Conscience), the Son, (our Conscience, the next adaptation essential to our evolution: [Gen 9:11]), also gives life to (the next species to evolve), whom He wishes.
For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to (the Holy Conscience of their psyche), the Son, so that all will honor the Son (through the altruistic love of others) even as they honor the Father (in the love for God). He who does not honor (the Holy Conscience within his psyche), the Son, does not honor the Father (imaged in his mind: [Gen 1:26-7]) who sent Him." - John 5:21-23

 

Hmmm,...
Remember that Instincts are things we must have experienced in a previous life.
We remembered so the instinct can automatically take over.

We must have remembered certain situations, like with snakes, say.
We react instinctually when confronted by a snake,... which tells us we remember an experience in another time and different life.

 

We have examples of animals, like birds, who are born and left will very young, alone, as their parents fly away.
But these birds later migrate to place which are 6000 miles way, all on their on accord.
They go where their parent had, in the same season a year later, without knowing about this regular trip their flock always makes.

How did tee birds know where to go, and how to fly there?
They may well have "remembered," like an instinct is at work.

 

Look, if your answer to animal instincts is "magic" then you probably just don't understand it yourself.

 

It is evident that some animals demonstrate very complex behaviors which seem to be learned acts that parents never had to each them.
Birds, for instance, have been seen to fly, as adults, to places which they never ever visited before, and arriving maybe 6000 miles away.
The place s some location where the species always goes.

But these birds get there, without adults amongst them.
They seem to remember they are to go to that same place.