Seriously...What would it take for a GOD to prove itself?

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  1. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Its not magic.
    It is evidence that genetic changes can be made while we are alive.
    We can add to our genetic coding new stuff.

    It would be saying that evolution was "directed."
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wait...so something that never existed said things accurate today?

    How could it say ANYTHING if it did not exist in the first place....makes no sense at all.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    None of your commentary has anything whatsoever to do with the discussion.
     
  4. GraspingforPeace

    GraspingforPeace Well-Known Member

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    NO, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but you're wrong. Go look up the definition of what an observation is in science. Consciousness need not apply.
     
  5. tkolter

    tkolter Well-Known Member

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    They could just be wrong, and another natural law or mechanic unknown to us can explain things better. We are here, your here, the computer is here I'm typing on so reality exists. Just because things again are unknown to us now on how things work it doesn't mean a "deity or deities" did it just we don't know. I'm fine with not knowing how everything works right now its fine its better than: I don't know science can't explain it so "god, goddess, pantheons or a herd of celestial cows" did it. That's ignorance! Not honestly saying a simple we can't explain it all yet so lets keep exploring the question until we can have a working theory then keep up the inquiry to see if the new theory holds up or there is a better one.
     
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    No It is not. Prove it if you think I'm wrong.
     
  7. GraspingforPeace

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    Genetics also affects behavior. Instincts are nothing more than a coding of the DNA to produce a certain behavior, just like we also see DNA producing a certain physical impression.
     
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    Yeah, I would kick his ass too. Of course given my view of reality, both you and I would be kicking our own asses. Or god would be kicking his own ass, through us. How else could he do it? Humans exist so god can kick his own ass when he feels a need for it.
     
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    Perhaps the Creator likes it when somebody get angry with Him/Her regarding injustice and sticks up for others........ even to the point of seeming to be disrespectful to G-d???

    http://www.near-death.com/andreason.html#a08

    Moses/Moshe was pretty rough on G-d on a number of occasions!
     
  10. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    The statement was a misprint in that I meant "He does NOT need to be conscious"...

    Sorry.
    There is no reason to assume a person is involved at all in the process.
    But the idea of a conscious observer was added to the literature of the CI idea some time later.
     
  11. GraspingforPeace

    GraspingforPeace Well-Known Member

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    So, then what are you claiming? What is this "creator" you keep referring to as He, then?
     
  12. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    OK.
    We have Instincts about things we encounter on earth after we are born.
    We could not know what was on Earth before we were born, so we must remember things from previous experiences.

    Those memories must have entered into our Unconscious mind while we living, and then been passed thereafter genetically to our children.

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    He is The Force behind Reality which unfolds and becomes described by the Truth.
     
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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    But before we are born, we could never have learned about certain things which are on Earth, unless we had already genetically remembered them after some real life experience with them.
     
  14. GraspingforPeace

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    You started with a faulty assumption. The animals don't "know" about certain places on earth.

    http://www.fieldmuseum.org/about/press/evolution-migration
     
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    First you say Religion is wrong and ask us to "prove it."

    I give you a science proof, and yo say Science could be wrong, too.
    What other discipline do you want us to use here?

    I tried Logic, that Reality is almighty for us, and Truth is His son and image.
    Whats left??
     
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    Right.
    But they seem to "remember" as many strange cases especially concerning birds tell us.

    Birds fly @6000 miles to land were their species always does, using no adults to guide them, and after having grow up as chicks far from the site.
     
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    Let's explore this though. What sort of instincts do humans have?
     
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    I simply said we are HERE as far as my senses and life have demonstrated so far so your evidence must then be wrong if it says we cannot exist, so something else must be going on likely a mechanism of nature we haven't discovered yet. When science clearly is wrong on something as in saying we can't exist if the proposed situation is the case and we are here therefore its wrong in some way. If it were true we wouldn't be here right, we are well I am and assume you are since your replying, so its clearly wrong and needs further study.

    Quite logical.
     
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    I said we can not exist...?

    I said evidence of God is now supported by Science in what they call the Copenhagen Interpretation.
    I don;t get your point here.
     
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    Here's one:

    People have an instinctive fear of snakes. We are afraid of snakes because humans evolved alongside these creatures, many of which are dangerous. This fear saved the lives of our ancestors and became hard-wired innate behavior, also known as instinct. Similarly we possess many other instincts that were adaptive during most of human history. Our immense propensity for denial may have enabled prehistoric humans to cope with menacing situations, but today we use denial to avoid confronting reality, especially overpopulation (a word that has become politically incorrect). Tribal loyalty and revenge made sense when we lived in small tribes, but both these instincts now threaten our very existence.
     
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    Every once in awhile you make a really good point, cupid...

    What happens all those other times? ;)
     
  22. AboveAlpha

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    Birds have a small amount of Iron in their beaks and nasal cavities...which acts like a COMPASS.....they also posses GENETIC MEMORY.....the two allows them to fly to where they were born.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    You don't seem to grasp the gravity of such a GODS CRIMES.

    And you don't want to scuffle with me.

    I am more of a MAKE LOVE NOT WAR kind of guy.....until I have to do my JOB.

    Ever see four 13 to 16 year olds stretch a 14 to 15 year old kids legs and arms over large downed trees and as they hold him another 16 year old African kid all hopped up on this smoked drug the warlords give them called BROWN-BROWN....mix of Pot, Coke, Gun Powder, Opium or Heroin.......and as the other 4 hold the kid down the other kid starts hacking off the kids limbs as an axample to all Villages not to hide thie OF AGE WARRIORS???

    I would SO kick a GOD'S A$$!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    That is known as GENETIC MEMORY.....most animals including the animals known as HUMANS have it to one extent or another.

    Look at Ants...or Bees...or Salmon.....etc.

    AboveAlpha

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    Please explain this scientific proof because I see none in this case?

    AboveAlpha
     
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    But that same person if regressed in time under hypnosis would recall many positive lives.

    It seems like all of us are being taught a higher level of humility....... to the point where we even develop some "sympathy for the devil," as well as an understanding of the potential devil within all of us.

    http://www.pureinsight.org/node/1267

    Also..... a younger soul seems to be highly susceptible to going off into this type of darkness.....

    http://www.near-death.com/newton.html

    (Dr. Michael Newton's Journey of Souls Research)
     
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