South Africa files genocide case against Israel at International Court of Justice over Gaza war

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/middleeast/south-africa-icj-israel-genocide-intl/index.html

South Africa, Oooof!

Supposing Hamas killed 1200, does it balance out for Israel to kill 12,000? 120,000? 1.2M?

Israel has no concern? No concern how its actions may provocate hostilities toward non-Zionists regular Judaists just trying to live their lives?

This is simply pathetic....

 

War is not about "balancing out". When Hamas surrenders or is totally defeated the war will be over.

 

Hammas only has to release all the hostages and surrender.

They won't.

That's a them problem.

 

Foolish. Idiots filed this motion.

This is on hamas and has alone.

Isreal goal is to protect isreal. Not get revenge and "balance out" lol. How absurd to even ask.

 

If its goal was to protect Israel, massive fail. Further, it has zero chance of stamping out anti State of Israel resentment while it exists geographically cornered by Arabs.

Note also from the Article that Israel accuses South Africa of seeking the destruction of Israel. It simply does not, but that is the crap tactic Israel uses. Much like what the NRA comes up with.

That is bullshit. SA is simply saying...'enough!'

 

It isn't a fail at all, it's still ongoing and hamas is becoming weaker every day.

It can't stamp it out completely but it can weaken their idiotic abilities to attack isreal.

Isreal are the good guys here. And thier cause of self defense is righteous.

If south Africa is calling for isreal to cease fire and stop their attack on hamas then yes, they are calling for the destruction of isreal as that's exactly what hamas goal is.

 

My point exactly. Israel cannot, will not ever end Islam.

 

Nor will they ever end Isreal.

But Isreal can and is crippling thier abilities to hurt them significantly. As they should.

 

While there are Arab arses pointing to the ground, there will never be peace in that part of the World until the State of Israel is geographically relocated.

 

It's not on isreal to relocate. Arabs are free to leave. They are why peace isn't possible.

Till then isreal can, should, and is doing what they can to protect themselves.

 

Have a look at a map and see reality.

 

Take your own advice

 

'ere ya go.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54116567

 

You can link to whatever Lies you want, that doesn't at all help your argument. Linking to the opinion of what is effectively a propaganda site is laughable.

A common theme on the left lately.

 

Maps not your strong point?

 

Projection at its finest. Ignore all nuance of the world if you wish. I prefer to multi varied analysis

 

How much 'multi varied analysis' do you need to look at a map, and see where a 'Country' is and who its neighbours, near and far, are?

 

Enough to know that Arabs have no right to demand Isreal leave, and can work something out with other nations if they wish. The world, despite our technology, is very big.

 

This site just allows too much nonsense to be posted. Just one of many reasons of why I won't donate to it.

 

It does, it's just not coming from where you think it is.

 

I guess the ANC miss hanging out with all their friends at Colonel Gaddafi's terrorist training camps.

 

I think it's a bit of a stretch to label what Israel is doing to Gaza in retaliation for 10/7 as war, and certainly not a war.

I suspect I have at least an average understanding of what war is about and what revenge is about.

Characterizing what is happening as war is your opinion, not mine.

I classify this as 1) revenge, 2) preventive security and 3) an Israeli land grab.

I understand that there are a lot of folks who love them some Bible.

And a lot of them prefer the Old Testament, supposedly I understand to be basically the equivalent to the Torah.

And in this tome there is an infamous passage wherein the Lord God commands his faithful to kill every man, woman and child in an enemy camp.

If this is the basis of support for Israel's actions toward folks in Gaza that had nothing to do with 10/7 then members here should be honest enough to post it.

I've often thought that anytime I call to mind making an assertion that seems like it could come from Col. Jessup, maybe I might want to actually filter that thought:

Have you ever spent time in an infantry unit, son?
Ever served in a forward area?
Ever put your life in another man's hands, ask him to put his life in yours?

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And this line from Platoon also seems relevant:

Y'all experts? Y'all know about killing?

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Please, tell us what "war" is about when it consists of basically shooting fish in a bowl.

War, pfffft!

 

Why?
When people or animals can't get along (and that only takes one side) then they need to stay apart. I agree Palestine needs their own state, but they insist they should take over Israel- again. They have turned down several plans and offers to create a Palestinian state, such as one proposed in the adjacent area known as the Sinai peninsula. The demand it be the land of Israel comes from the hate of Jews, more than a desire for a land of their own.

This land was known as Israel before it was anything else, more than 3,000 years ago. It's been conquered, lost and recovered, over and over- but it was Israel first.
The bible (and I'm not religious) is a historical record as well as a religious one. And in it, in Genesis- god promised the land to Isaac and Jacob. That took place 4,000 years ago. The muslims arrived in the area in 640 AD.

Islam was created by a man known as Muhammed. In his early forties, he told people he had revelations from god, and spontaneously declared himself a prophet of the true god. He demanded he be accepted as that, and many did. However, the Jewish people would not. That enraged Mohammed, and he pledged they must all die.... And that is the source of the conflict between Muslims and Jews. Mohammed made it a kind of blood feud, because they failed to worship him and recognize his claims. That feud is integrated into the Islamic religion, and bred into Muslims and their children- their mission, part of pleasing their god is to kill jews. There were cell phone messages from Hamas fighters obtained during the Oct 7 attack; one of them was a man calling his parents; excited and proud to tell them that he had just killed 10 jews with his own hands. The Jews have not sworn to kill all Muslims, but the Muslim religion is dedicated to kill all Jews. That's not limited to Jews in the land called Israel- but Jews anywhere.

The Jewish people have been the target of Islam from it's very beginning.... because a man convinced himself he was the authorized deputy of god, and used that delusion to focus millions on his personal hate.
Hate handicaps people; it limits their potential and accomplishments. Their contribution to the world, to life and to self.

The quality of life everywhere depends on the focus and character of people. While measuring the contributions of a group of people can be difficult, there are things that help.

Muslims constitute 23% of the world's population. Jews constitute .02% of the world's population. The Muslims out number the Jews138 to one.

Among the list of winners of the Nobel prize- there are 15 Muslims. There are 214 Jews.

The Jews, being only two tenths of one percent of world population- have produced 22% of all Nobel Prize winners.

Personally, I don't feel sorry for people who are the victims of their own hate. Like Mohammed, they often hate those who don't support their hate- and that is where terrorism comes from.
Appeasing it only fuels and perpetuates it.


People are all born with the same basic hardware; bodies and brains. But the programming, how they are taught to think, determines who they will be, and their value to the world.
That is a factor of the "programming", or software they absorb from their culture and environment.

 

I've decided that the US unconditionally arming Israel at this point is the 3rd major disagreement I have with the current administration...

 

I like to think of this in more political terms, which is how Bibi is likely handling this as well...

SNIP
I think it’s not unreasonable to speculate that Netayanhu looks at this interregnum as a last roll of the dice. If he doesn’t pull something out of the hat, he goes down in history as the prime minister who was in court facing criminal charges, but stayed on in the prime minister’s office, was asleep on the watch, and presided over the greatest disaster in Israeli history. That right now is his political obituary.
ENDSNIP

https://www.motherjones.com/politic...-united-states-support-for-israel-gaza-hamas/