South Africa files genocide case against Israel at International Court of Justice over Gaza war

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  1. Moolk

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    Yep. Imagine supporting self defense and fools call it genocide. Astounding.

    I'm glad isreal is still full steam ahead despite the weak willed portion of the world demanding they stop
     
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    Yes it relieves Isreal of responsibility completely. They are defending themselves by crippling their enemy. Their enemy is utilizing its civilians as shields...that is on Hamas. Isreal is under no moral obligation to cease fire for as long as hamas hides behind its civilians...which is forever.

    Isreal isn't committing war crimes.

    Full steam ahead Isreal.
     
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    That is exactly the justification Hamas uses to attack Israel.
    Which makes you no better than Hamas.
     
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    If I didn't, I wouldn't have the ability to recognize you did.,
     
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    Do you realize that you just called a forum poster equal to terrorists?

    Read the long history. Hamas attacks Israel because Muhammed got pissed off at the jews for not accepting his claim that he was the prophet of god some 1400 years ago. He started a blood feud as he built the Islam religion, which declared all Jews everywhere must die. They still think that killing Jews is the key to heaven, and his followers still buy it. They hate Jews for no reason other than they are Jews. They hate others as well who aren't Muslim, but the Jews top the list of people who should die. If they were successful at destroying all Jews- the radical leaders of Islam would look to the next group to kill off. These are the people who posted a multi-million dollar bounty on the head of a British author whose book offended an ayatollah some 30 years back- and it's still good today, despite several changes in their leadership.

    The Jews have not set out to kill all Muslims, nor Palestinians. Just Hamas terrorists. Those who stand with them may get themselves killed when they stand in the way, but they have a choice.
     
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    The bolded is actually the very opposite of reality. People are radicalized by things like their innocent family members getting killed. Some people will be radicals either way, and those are the ones you may need to kill to protect innocent people, but not by stooping to their level. If one side plays by the rules, it becomes clear to a larger proportion of people they are the good guys. Unfortunately, there are no good guys in this war, only victims and criminals (both Hamas and the IDF).

    Some of this is also just false. Israel has told civilians to retreat to areas they soon bombed, and the civilians didn't really have anywhere safe to go. At best, reckless disregard for civilian life.
     
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    Zionists have no such concerns. I'm guessing you haven't heard of the Patria massacre.
     
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    What "it". Should Israel just have to grin and bear it when another country/government engages in war against them?
     
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    YES Israel told them where the zones were and to leave, where to go is theirs and their own governments problem THEY started the war. They are free to surrender at any time.
     
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    Japan killed 3000 on Dec/ 7th. Should the United States have stopped at 3000 or 6000 or 12000. What is this factor being claimed exist in the rules of war?
     
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    You are clearly projecting the mentality of the U.S. military industrial complex.
     
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    One side started this war, the other side will complete it. Can you guess which is which? The Palestinians and their government are free to move or surrender and end his war THEY started. There is NOTHING criminal about Israel first defending itself from the attack and then counterattacking to destroy the enemy who attacked them.
     
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    I can give it to you as long as you like, win the war and stop the attacks on your own people and country so you don't get extreminated first. The Palestinians and their government are free to surrender this war they started at any time.

    Tell me what is your alternative other than Israel surrender?
     
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    Attacking Hamas isn't criminal. Not taking steps to avoid civilian casualties is. Telling civilians a place is safe and then bombing it is criminal. Bombing a refugee shelter because a terrorist is alleged to be there is. Leveling neighborhoods indiscriminately is. Total war is the realm of WWII and war criminals.
     
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    Actually millions were killed in China by Japan. Or do Chinese lives not matter to you? In the end, over a hundred thousand U.S. citizens were killed in the Pacific.

    The complete lack of caring for others not of your race is shared by the Israeli's.

    WWII was not fought according to rules of war. The first order out of the war department of the U.S. was a direct violation of the Geneva Convention. However, there was a greater desire to have a "good ending" not just for the victors but also the losers in the Pacific. In the Pacific, Japan was not conquered and slowly evicted to one of their small islands even though they definitely "deserved it". As a result we have peaceful relations with Japan and are not still engaging in an endless war there.

    As I've asked several others before who never had the courage to answer, "What did Palestinians do to deserve the Balfour Declaration?"
     
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    I didn't realize you were responding to me. You responded like you have no clue what the Patria Massacre was. I'm guessing you also don't know about the Liberty massacre as well. Have you ever thought about reading something other than Zionist propaganda?
     
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    I was responding to a post by someone who said Israel told them to leave Gaza.

    Do you think a warning absolves Israel of responsibility for killing thousands of women and children?
     
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    I was responding to someone who said they were warned to leave Gaza.
    That’s untrue.
     
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    False. Hamas can and will use whatever justification they want. They are responsible for their own actions. Their justification simply isn't accurate. While Isreals justification actually is true and accurate. That's what separates them from Hamas
     
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    Disagree. When the rules aren't enforced- there are no rules for the people whose character does not self-regulate them. While it's true people are reacting to Gaza civilian deaths and those deaths are both unfortunate and unnecessary, Israel would be foolish to let the refusal of civilians to evacuate serve to protect the terrorists- and the civilians in this situation are more responsible for their pligt than the Israelis. The responsibility for their own safety falls first on them- and they were warned and given time to act. It falls second on the Hamas government, to protect their own civilians. Instead, they told them to stay in their homes and ignore Israel's message to evacuate. I don't see Israel has any choice. Hamas can end it right now, by surrender. The civilians still in the war zone can evacuate right now if they choose. Both choices in their power- but not in Israels' power.

    They were told to evacuate to the south of the river. That's about a 5 mile walk more or less for people in north Gaza and Gaza city. Walking distance of 2-3 hours for most. They had over a week to do it.
    Israel IS NOT stooping to the Hamas level. Hamas not only targeted civilians, women and children- they butchered them. Israel hasn't targeted civilians, and they gave them advance warning to evacuate. The civilians have CHOSEN to stand in the line of fire, and Hamas has used their deaths to get just what you are providing- sympathy and the means to bring criticism on Israel. If Hamas thinks civilian casualties are tragic- why in hell would they block the evacuation? Why are they still doing that? Why are they sacrificing their own people?
    Because they are using those people for political advantage, and those people are allowing themselves to be used. I have no sympathy for that.
    Given those facts, one has to ask why anyone would give such a plot sympathy.

    Try playing the nice guy in any confrontation with ruthless people- and Hamas, right down to the lowest of them, are ruthless on a scale few could imagine.
    In poker you lose your shirt.
    In a gunfight, you lose your life.
    Some people may say "But he was a nice guy".... The enemy will say he was a fool.
     
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    Clarify what you mean. Israel did not tell civilians to leave Gaza the country- but they did tell them to leave Gaza the city, and that applied to all of what's known as north Gaza. They instructed civilians to move south of the river that crosses the country about 5 miles south of Gaza city, to be out of the combat zone.

    If you meant they weren't told to leave the Gaza the country, you are right as I understand it. The way you put it sounded like you may be disputing they gave warning at all, and that is well documented.
     
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    Do you realise that not everyone, even the oldest, most established and who employs the most ppl, news network in the world DOES NOT regard hamas as terrorists?

    Please take your Eurocentric propaganda to a social media sight that is so dumbed down as to believe such drivel.
     
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    Crazy
     
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    Targeting children is a war crime.
     
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    Stop the illegal settlements. It's not rocket science my guy
     

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