South Africa files genocide case against Israel at International Court of Justice over Gaza war

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    We all know there were troubles between Arabs and Jews during the Ottoman empire, but all in all, the Jews succeeded into obtaining the highest civilian positions in that empire. That historic reality makes it so that your opinion can not be true. In fact, Jews fled to the Ottoman empire to escape the endless Christian persecution... since the bible flat out mentions that the Jew of today is still responsible for the murder of the son of God by their ancestors. That's not exactly peanuts. Not to forget that the holocaust was done by people with a Christian heritage and nothing of the like was done by Muslims. It all changed until western Jews found the need that they must be compensated what Christians did to them, and the compensation meant that not Christians but Muslims must be victimized, since the western Jew wanted to colonize where the Muslims lived among the morals and values of the western colonial way during the western colonial era. That's when the hatred of Arabs towards the Jews kicked in. Specifically the Arabs who fought along with the west to uproot the Arab empire and got rewarded with a colonization by the Jew without them having any say in it. We all know this.
     
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    How ill informed you are. !!!!

    since the bible flat out mentions that the Jew of today is still responsible for the murder of the son of God by their ancestors
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Ottoman_Empire
    There were no restrictions in the professions Jews could practice analogous to those common in Western Christian countries.[5] There were restrictions, however, regarding the areas Jews could live in or work, which were similar to the restrictions placed on Ottoman subjects of other religions.[6] Like all non-Muslims, Jews had to pay the haraç ("head tax") and faced other restrictions in clothing, horse riding, army service, residence location, slave ownership, etc. However, although many of these restrictions "were decreed [not many of them]...were always enforced"

    the Jews succeeded into obtaining the highest civilian positions in that empire.
    https://www.npr.org/2011/03/04/134264425/Pope-Jews-Are-Not-Responsible-For-Killing-Jesus
    There is no basis in the scripture for the argument that the Jewish people were responsible for the death of Jesus Christ. That's the declaration made by Pope Benedict the sixteenth, in his forthcoming book, "Jesus of Nazareth, Part II".


    Not to forget that the holocaust was done by people with a Christian heritage and nothing of the like was done by Muslims.
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-official-record-what-the-mufti-said-to-hitler/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world
     
  3. Bush Lawyer

    Bush Lawyer Well-Known Member

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    Do you agree with these words?

     
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    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    From what I see, no. I hope this isn't one of those trick questions.
     
  5. Bush Lawyer

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    No trick. Guess whose words they are. Don't Google. Have a genuine go at guessing.
     
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    More projection.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    More distortion.

    There's no such thing as constructive conversations or discussions with closed minds.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ethnic cleansing? yes.

    Genocide? no.

    Clearly South Africa has no idea what they're talking about. Maybe they should instead focus on getting their own shitty, failed, unlivable house in order first.
     
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    You're still projecting.
     
  10. Bob Newhart

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    We'll see. If they get a genocide ruling from the ICJ, case will be closed. The anti-genocide laws in the U.S. will come into force anyone providing any help will be subject to prosecution.

    Have you read South Africa's application?

    BTW, South Africa was an even worse shitty, failed, unlivable house during apartheid.
     
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    You might want to have try at Bush Lawyer's post #153
     
  12. Grey Matter

    Grey Matter Well-Known Member Donor

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    Xenforo records these posts very well and I welcome you to prove your assertion, Sir, that I ever tried to "put words into your mouth".

    Please post the exact interactions where I asserted that you stated something you did not state, or even, something that you did not intend to state.

    I will be pleased to retract my my post if you can do so.

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    Your lack of combat experience is hardly any demonstrable proof that you also lack a general ability to account for basic logistical impossibilities. Israel declared all of Northern Gaza a "war zone" and advised that getting out of it was the Gazans' problem, not theirs. Men, Women and Children be damned. 1.2+ million people be damned.

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    The tides of war cannot exceed the woe of aftermath....

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    Palestinians started the "war", sure they did. By random virtue of not having been born an Arab in Gaza your post lacks any and all empathy that Gazans, most in fact, have and have had nothing to do with the 10/7 Southern Hamas attack on Israel. No Sir, it is equally legitimate to assert that Israel began this war with the backing of the UK in 1948 or so....

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    We disagree, I already posted that I see this as revenge first, but I will revise my post to say that I see this as a means for Netanyahu to stay out of jail before my previous assertion that the #2 reason was safety and security for Israel.

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    You asserted that revenge played no part in the US's entry into WWII and I pointed out that it most certainly did. Now, with this post you've negated Pearl Harbor to focus on why Europe then. Your previous post implied that revenge does not motivate a nation to war and I assert that by your own example which I proved false, it certainly does.

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    Again with the pathetic claim that I misstated your position. As I mention in item 1 of my post here above, bring the proof of where I have mischaracterized your posts and I apologize and recant my position. Regarding any PF member who would threaten to be done with me who also supports DFT for Potus again, please please please, iggy me to your heart's extent my friend and God Bless Your Heart.

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    You made a post about war, as though you have some particularly better knowledge of it than I or other members do: hence my question. And, as I suspected, you, at least in this lifetime, do not have credible first hand knowledge of war. Not only do you not have knowledge of direct combat experience, you do not by your own admission even have experience of having served in the military. And pathetically, you've invoked your childrens' service on your own behalf.

    Finally, why is it that you take up arguments for Israel in this matter?
     
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  13. George Bailey

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    Look at the funeral pyres of bodies in Dresden during WWII. That is what indiscriminate bombing looks like. Thousands of people piled up and cremated in the street because there is no means to bury them.
     
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    So far...no takers.
     
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    Your own source:
    Some Jews who reached high positions in the Ottoman court and administration include Mehmed II's minister of Finance ("Defterdar") Hekim Yakup Pasa, his Portuguese physician Moses Hamon, Murad II's physician Is'hak Pasha and Abraham de Castro, who was the master of the mint in Egypt.

    And this is exactly according to my claim.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_deicide
    Matthew 27:24–25
    A justification for the charge of Jewish deicide has been sought in Matthew 27:24–25:

    So when Pilate saw that he was gaining nothing, but rather that a riot was beginning, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd, saying, "I am innocent of this man's blood; see to it yourselves." And all the people answered, "His blood be on us and on our children!"


    There were also Jews who fought for Hitler in the highest of ranks. Doesn't mean that the holocaust was still done by people of Christian heritage.
    The few exceptions are minuscule on the scale of WWII.
     
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    The writings of Matthew were just a few years before the Ottoman empire :)
     
  17. notme

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    I wrote: In fact, Jews fled to the Ottoman empire to escape the endless Christian persecution... since the bible flat out mentions that the Jew of today is still responsible for the murder of the son of God by their ancestors.

    And this is how it is, supported with what I sourced. It's not as if you now disagree. That the writings of Matthey predate the Ottoman empire supports this. The Ottoman empire that was from 12th to the 19th century and so covers among things the inquisition. Undoubtingly you knew all along I was right.
     
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    Your anecdotal quotes hardly change a thing, let alone using biblical quotes for the Ottoman empire.
     
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    Your previous post about when Matthew was written is even irrelevant to who persecuted who and who fled where and were able to obtain what positions. My posts 165 stands.
     

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