The Life of Muhammad

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  1. DutchClogCyborg

    DutchClogCyborg New Member

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    Ofc it is, they wont mention him having sex with 9 year old Aisha, attackin Caravans, of him being kicked out of Mecca for demanding other religious folk to obey to his will ^^

    Would get huge riots and thousands would die, imagine the cartoon riots x 1000
     
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    Well make up your own image then; use your imagination...
    People have been using their imaginations doing pictures of Jesus for centuries. Nobody knows what he really looked like.
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    You call it self-censorship, I call it having respect for another culture's faith. I don't have a problem with that; why would anyone?
     
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    Ms Armstrong is a gullible useful idiot. She is also a well-compensated professional propagandists being paid handsomely to whitewash Islam by the Saudis. In addition, she never studied Islam and even though Robert Spencer, Hugh Fitzgerald, Bill Warner, Andrew Bostom, and many other leading authorities on Islam have challenged her repeatedly to debates, she has nonetheless always declined to debate them. Obviously, because she doesn’t want to be exposed as the shyster and loon she really is.

    Meanwhile, why would you arbitrarily assume she is right and all other leading authorities of Islam are wrong? Never mind I understand, in the same way you automatically accept as being credible the word of the worse serial human rights violators and the worse perpetrators of crimes against humanity the world has ever seen, you also accept as being credible the word from a hired gun and professional propagandists who has been well compensated by the Saudis. Your hatred for Jews and Israel must run very deep.

    In any event, with respect to my comments without watching it, it’s an educated guess based off of plenty of experience observing the BBC always going out of its way to conceal the truth. Nevertheless, when you conclude watching the documentary, click on the link to the Sira that I supplied and compare and contrast the truth with the propaganda you watched.

    In addition, if the documentary weren’t already pre-approved by the Saudis, we would have heard and observed for months before its scheduled release date a storm of protests and jihadist attacks, and then if the BBC would have courageously shown it anyway in the face of all that protest, the BBC’s bureaus in every Islamic country in the world would have inevitably been blown to smithereens.

    cheers
     
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    Was the movie King of Kings?

    I think that is the first time the movies filmed the face of Jesus and there was alot of controvery.

    I think the actor was Jeffery Hunter.
     
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    I would think so; Rageh Omar is Muslim.
     
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    Firstly because it is in proportion to the threat of retaliatory measures which runs contrary to our own culture's egalitarian principles. Secondly because in our modern secular society it is necessary for people to put up with perceived disrespect for their particular subculture, religious or otherwise.

    In the case of Islam we can see that deference is perceived as a weakness and is used as leverage to gain unwarranted power and influence by an honour based culture.

    Do you have a problem with demands backed by threats and violent protests, for the singer Medina to change her artistic name out of respect for another culture's faith?
     
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    Just another made up prophet who had disticnt loking for little girls and believed in the might of the sword over anything else.
     
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    Should we also mention the Crusades, the Inquisition, the burning of heretics, the torture and hanging of 'witches' including children? All done in the name of a made-up 'god', and perfectly acceptable because it was 'our side'?
     
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    No matter if you repeat it here a 1000 times a day you will never make is fact:sleepy:
     
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    Clearly not as deep your :psychoitc: hatred of Arabs.


    Cheers - Go have a :beer:
     
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    I’m not worried about Arabs. Indeed, Druze and Christian Arabs aren’t fighting against Jews are anyone else for that matter. However, the Islamic world, on the other hand, is not only waging jihad against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel but also against any and all unbelievers around the world including you and me. Yet, for some deranged reason, you single out Jews and only Jews to feed your unhinged obsession.

    Cheers.
     
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    The first Arabs to organize against the European Jews were Arab Jews in 1920.. They were joined by Arab Christians in 1922.

    The Muslims were a bit late in getting it.

    The problem was socialism, free love, the lack of Arabic and flaunting Arab culture of modesty and language.

    They only spoke yiddish.

    It was a huge assault on culture and tradition.. and you can read about it in lots of contemporaneous publications..
     
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    Which goes to show how F'ing ignorant ooo are , While SOME DRUZE in 1947 chose not to resist the Zionists , those from villages near to Lebanes + Syrian borders FLED and later joined
    other Arab forces against the Zionists. And as for "Christian Arabs " they are amongst the most militant anti-Israel reistance.
    Considering your pathetic lack of knowledge , I would'nt expect that you'd know that George Habash ( the founder of PFLP ) was Christian Arab along with most members of the PFLP , as was Edward Said and many more. Yassar Arafat was married to a Christian Arab , whose three brothers were even more anti-zionists than Arafat was . One of the first suicide bombers , a bus , was a 17 yrs old young fighter from a prominent Palestinian CHRISTIAN family. While Christian Arabs might be a minority , those who've ancestors were driven out of Palestine by Jewish terrorists , LEHI -Irgun,etc., they've NOT forgotten nore forgiven.


    OBAYOMA - Go do your homework , instead of continually making an " ace" of yourself.


    cheers.....LOL
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    Did you slip on a bar of soap and hit your head? You don't really believe I'm dumb enough to believe that garbage do you?

    What you mean late? Within a hundred years following the death of Muhammad, the Islamic world had already conquered most of the known world from Portugal to India and including over half of Christendom, and millions of non-Muslim unbelievers – Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Buddhists, Druze, and Hindus alike, – were either slaughtered outright, rendered into slavery, or rendered into very harsh and degrading dhimmitude. As the Muslims wiped out all previous cultures and history, as if they never before existed, while claiming for their own, the previous culture’s contributions at the same time.

    Nevertheless, what was left of Palestine at the time had long been abandoned, since once all the dhimmis had been forced to convert to Islam, Islamic society inevitably sunk back into backwardness. Hence, since the backward Arabs thanks to Islam were incapable of eking out a living off the land, they had no other choice but to abandon Palestine.

    You are right about Socialism, as virtually all leftwing Socialists today have been inculcated to believe that their can be no peace on earth and no one world Socialist utopia without national borders unless and until Jewish Zionism has been destroyed. Hence, leftwing Socialists are just as determined to exterminate the Jews as the Islamic world is today. However, leftwing Socialists are so psychologically unhinged and mentally incompetent that they will inevitably become subjugated dhimmis by the Islamic world, which will be perfectly fine by you.

    With respect to the lack of Arabic and flaunting Arab culture of modesty and language, it’s all 7th century barbarianism. As for as I’m concerned, it’s their culture that should be obliterated.

    Yiddish is a dead language. Jews weren’t monolithic, as they spoke many different and varied languages. Today they speak primarily Hebrew in celebration of their culture.

    Not in what was the region of Palestine, as the Arabs kept backwards thanks to Islam, never arrived in Palestine in mass until after the Zionist Jews had already drained the malaria infested swamps and marshes and made the deserts bloom with their modern technology and modern Western knowledge that then began attracting backward ass Muslims looking for an easier way of life from surrounding regions. Hence, the notion that the Jews somehow stole or usurped the land from the original inhabitants is total, complete, and utter bunk concocted by taqiyya spewing Muslims like you to facilitate their permanent and perpetual genocidal jihad of conquest.

    Hence, go sell your garbage to delusional leftists who thanks to years of moral relativist indoctrination are too mentally handicapped not to know better than to swallow your unhinged garbage.
     
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    OBAMOBA - Its obvious that you havent a clue what you're talking abt and know sweet F-all abt Arabs.

    Meet the Arabs when they take time off from fighting/resisting those greedy land grabbing Jews from Israel


    .[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rwlHoKUWTk"]‪Haifa Wehbe- Ana Haifa‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOkZ0EwVfoU&feature=related"]‪Shahla Belly Dancer in Lebanon‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]


    cheers. HAHAHAHA.
     
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    Actually, if you weren’t a totally obsessed Jew hater to begin with, you wouldn’t so readily swallow what is taqiyya meant to deceive gullible useful idiot kafir infidels, especially when it is issued from the world’s worse serial violators of human rights and the worse perpetrators of crimes against humanity the world has ever seen. Nevertheless, the real truth is the Druze tried to remain neutral, but when the war started they sided with and fought with the Israelis. In fact, the Druze is the only Arab group that is eligible to be drafted in Israel today exactly because they have always fought loyally on the side of Israel. Not to mention that it would also be suicidal to allow Muslims in Israel to be drafted. Actually, it is suicidal not only in Israel but also in every country in the world where mass Muslim immigration has occurred

    Now, to the extent that some Druze living in Syria were forced to fight with Muslims against Israel, they did so against their will only because they were horribly oppressed and brutalized dhimmis compelled to fight out of fear of what could potentially happen to their communities, not from Jews, but from their Muslim oppressors and over lords.

    Indeed, all non-Muslims living in all Muslim majority countries today as unbelievers, whether it is Christians, Druzes, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Sikhs, or whatever, without a single exception anywhere in the world are ALL violently oppressed and systematically persecuted when not outright slaughtered altogether. Thus, maybe if you weren’t so myopically focused only on exterminating Jews to the exclusion of everything else, then maybe you could remove your blinders for just long enough to have a look around the world.

    In fact, Israel’s accusers are guilty of everything they accuse Israel of and much, much, more.

    Now, with respect to the Christian Arabs living in harsh and degrading dhimmitude in Palestinian controlled areas, luckily the vast overwhelming majority of them have been able to escape the harsh and brutal oppression and now either live in Israel, which readily accepts Christians, or otherwise in non-Islamic countries that don’t universally oppress all unbelievers.

    Indeed, since the1950s the Christian population in the Palestinian controlled areas has shrank precipitously from approximately 15 percent of the population to less than 2 percent today. Hell, in Lebanon this same phenomenon has been even more dramatic, as that country has lost over half its Christian population. Hence, you couldn’t be any more wrong as always. Hell, most leading experts believe that if nothing is done near term, the entire Islamic world will become totally devoid of all Christians in approximately 20 years.

    Of course, if you asked any Christians living in the Palestinian controlled areas if they hated Israel, they would answer in the affirmative because their lives and the lives of their families and communities hinge upon it. In fact, if they answered to the contrary, their communities would inevitably be obliterated. You have no idea what it is like to live in a totalitarian system. No wonder you are a delusional leftist!

    And to the extent that a tiny minority of oppressed Christian Arabs became terrorists and anti-Israel, it was either over compensation for their oppressed state of dhimmitude or otherwise it was because they were indoctrinated Communists like George Habash.

    As for as that unhinged leftwing loon Edward Said goes, he is a proven liar that lied about being born and raised in Jerusalem until the War of Independence and all of his scholarship as well has also been shown to be complete utter garbage too. Hence, why am I not surprised that you would hold a confirmed liar and a flake like Said in such high regard!

    Nevertheless, I’m still waiting for you to explain why you exclude all of the many other permanent jihads of conquest the Islamic world is also waging simutaneously around the world against many other unbelievers and only focus on the permanent jihad of conquest the Islamic world is waging perpetually against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel.

    Indeed, what makes that jihad of conquest against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel so special over the many other permanent jihads of conquest the Islamic world is also waging perpetually against the Hindu unbelievers in Kashmir, Jammu, and Mumbai, the Buddhist unbelievers in Thailand, the Christian unbelievers in the Philippines, the atheist and Orthodox Christian unbelievers in Chechnya and Russia, the animist and Christian unbelievers in the Ivory Coast, Nigeria, and Sudan, the Orthodox Christian Serb unbelievers in Bosnia and Kosovo, and on and on again ad nauseum to name a few? Including the stealth global jihad at large that is currently being waged primarily via mass Muslim immigration to the West as stealth jihad and for the purpose of demographic conquest.

    Finally, with respect to the permanent jihad of conquest being waged perpetually against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel, do you also likewise side with the Islamic world’s permanent jihads of conquest being waged perpetually against the above aforementioned unbelievers as well, or is it only when it comes to Jews that you side with the Islamic world. Which is it?
     
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    I’d like to see Shahla the Belly Dancer or those dancers in the first video doing their acts in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and in any of the other more conservative Islamic countries that don’t have huge population of Christians, just to see how long it would take before they were arrested. Indeed, I would like to bet on how long it would take. It would be fun.

    Hell, I'd like to see them perform their acts in South Lebanon to see how long they lived. Now that would be very interesting.

    Cheers.
     
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    Oh! For *ucks sake , your first sentence puts me right off reading the rest of yr crap.
    I'm English and havent a F**king clue what a taqiya is , I've never had any problems/conflicts/disagreements with my Jewish/Muslim/Hindu etc. countrymen. We'e discussing Israel + Zionism - not diaspora Jews .

    BESIDES , YOU'RE WELL OFF TOPIC The thread is abt Life of Muhammed,- sweet F'all to do with the utter rubbish you're rabbiting on abt. . :fart:

    . GO HAVE A BEER OR JUMP IN A LAKE. GERTCHA
     
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    Deranged, unhinged, delusional. Choose your adjective-they all apply to your worryingly obsessive posts. This is no exception.
    You know nothing about Arabs, Muslims or Arabic culture. You know only hatred, hyperbole and conspiracy paranoia; this is evidenced in your increasingly bizarre posts.
    Why do you think so many people ridicule your posts? Are you so naive or blindly Islamophobic as to honestly believe that anyone who takes a contrary view to yours (which you evidently assume to be the absolute, unblemished truth), has no grasp whatsoever on either history, culture or current affairs?
    I actually believe that to be the case. How many times will your posts paint themselves into a corner before you come to realise how utterly absurd they are? 'Stealth jihadists', 'perpetual genocidal jihad? Are you listening to yourself?
     
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    All religion is a lot of bunkum. Put them all in the scrap heap of history and the world will be much better off.

    Religion is only for those who are incapable of thinking for themselves. I was bombarded with religious nonsense from the time of my birth, but in time,I grew up and saw it for what it is - a lot of old tripe! When will people grow up and discard all religion into the rubbish bin of history?
     
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    Couldn't agree more; I too had catholicism bludgeoned into me until I was old enough to understand its disgusting ethos of punishment and reward, fear and retribution.
     
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    For those who can access BBC IPlayer , part 2 can be watched here :


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b012rylw/The_Life_of_Muhammad_Holy_Wars/

    covered many interesting details i.e. showing a model of the first mosque - a very simple much brick structure, including Muhameds initial relationship with the various Jewish + other polytheist tribes around Yathrib(Medina) and later conflicts. It also explains the reasons behind the raid on a Caravan from Syria on its way to Mecca and the Battle of Badr + later battles(skirmishes )


    cheers.
     
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    Sorry but I'm not living in the right bit of the world for it.

    Jewish tribes weren't polytheist apart from not supposing to be part of the Arabian world he was born into.

    Is there any departure from the general mainstream picture?
     
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    Sorry if I've in anyway led you to such a misunderstanding. It would have been ridiculous to make such a supposition. :)

    the program presenter described Yathrib (Medina) NOT as a united city but as being an oasis surrounded by three separated Jewish tribal settlements - PLUS some nonJewish/non-Christian polytheists tribes - with the usual inter-tribal power politics.

    Not knowing a great deal abt Muhammed's Life , I found many details quite informative. I'll try posting whatever else I can learn ,

    meanwhile read this review. :

    - http://www.metro.co.uk/tv/reviews/869686-the-life-of-muhammad-exposed-our-own-ignorance ,



    btw - last nights episode did not hold back on how religionist extremists Muslims have in recent years distorted Muhammed's message and the the world's first written Constitution of Medina , and interfaction disputes amongst Muslims.

    google has just coughed this up :

    http://knol.google.com/k/the-constitution-of-medina-the-first-written-constitution-of-the-world#



    I hope you'll shortly be able to watch the full documentary as soon as copyright agrrement is made with channels in yr area.


    cheers.


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