Undervaccinated red states are nowhere near herd immunity as dangerous Delta variant spreads

Yes, an interesting problem. A problem that has nothing to do with Republicans.

Let's say we have 100% vaccine compliance in the US. That won't be enough to prevent the vaccine resistant scenario. You would have to completely close US borders to all countries who are not 100% compliant. Many countries aren't even expected to reach acceptable vaccinated status until I think, 2023, maybe later, if ever.

So you see, variants will continue to circulate around the world for who knows how long, except maybe the criminals who opened this Pandora's box in the first place.

 

You know, that's actually a true statement, eh? I mean, the more they refuse the vax, the greater chance of more variants, which might be more resistant to the vax, then we reach a point where no vax will work, and then we are doomed as a species.

This is a serious problem.

 

We do have to do the best that is possible to do.

You can't let those facts get the better of you.

 

That’s not a factual statement since the vaccinated can catch and spread the virus too. In fact the treatment may spur more variants as it threatens its effectiveness.

If you think a 99.99+ survival rate means we are doomed then I have a bridge to sell you.

 

Measles was beaten for years, but it did crop up here and there.

the point is, it's nothing like it was when I was a kid in the 50s. I got the measles in 1957.

My mother had me attend a measles party, (one kid had the measles, and local parents had a party with the children who hadn't gotten it) the parents made us all get measles ( since it was practically unavoidable back then ) when we were young, that way we'd be immune to it for the rest our lives and getting it when you are young is the safest time in your life to get it, if get it you must, and that was the state of things back then.

And that turned about to be true. I'm 70 now, and I had blood titers done on my antibodies, and the nurse called me up to tell me I still have immunity ( on mumps and rubella, as well ). Those measles antibodies are strong little critters, my hats off to them.

How deadly is measles? The best article, examining it from a number of angles, finally concludes that it ranges from one in two thousand, to one in three thousand. In 1958, there were 4,000,000 cases of measles reported, and about 400 deaths reported, that puts it at one in ten thousand, and that ratio was pretty steady in prior years, which I assume was the odds my mom was going by, 'not much risk' she told me, better to get life long immunity than to risk getting it later in life when the odds drastically are worse, but, as the article indicates, that stat may be problematic and examines some other stats.

https://www.unitypoint.org/blankchi....aspx?id=babec96f-cf1e-4af1-b421-adfcb36ca561

 

Died? I think he's still with us.

But, like a cat, he does have nine lives, no doubt about that.

https://societyofrock.com/9-times-keith-richards-cheated-death-and-lived-to-tell-the-tale/

You're thinking of Keith Moon, the drummer for The Who, eh?

 

My guess is that the vast majority of people do not report anything to VAERS, and, in fact, most people are unaware of it's existence. I never heard of it until I reached the age of 58, which is about 17 years after it was established.

Therefore, it's far more likely that the vast majority of reports to VAERS are medical personnel. However, I don't know.

It's for monitoring, not for 'proof'.

The primary objectives of VAERS are to:

• Detect new, unusual, or rare vaccine adverse events;
• Monitor increases in known adverse events;
• Identify potential patient risk factors for particular types of adverse events;
• Assess the safety of newly licensed vaccines;
• Determine and address possible reporting clusters (e.g., suspected localized [temporally or geographically] or product-/batch-/lot-specific adverse event reporting);
• Recognize persistent safe-use problems and administration errors;
• Provide a national safety monitoring system that extends to the entire general population for response to public health emergencies, such as a large-scale pandemic influenza vaccination program.

 

The measles virus isn't comparable to a corona virus. Corona viruses are seasonal while measles is not. Just watch this one become just like the other corona viruses.

 

the fanatics heard of it, and manipulate it's data is the issue

 

Such are conspiracy theories.

 

The best that we can do is going to involve mass violation of rights and a border locked tight from A) all peoples from countries that didn't do their best, and B) all peoples from countries who did as well as us with vaccines, BUT didn't lock down their borders to the people in group A.

Just be aware that you may end up discovering, after decades of violating rights and who we are, that your measures were for naught as Covid is still doing what it does...

 

Hmmm I'm vaccinated but we now know the vaccination won't keep me from getting it, it won't keep me from passing it and it won't guarantee me I won't get sick, nor hospitalized nor die from it. Seems to me like the flu we're going to live with it and better find ways to treat it because we damn sure aren't vaxxing our way out of it.

 

Do you understand why some people aren't interested? I mean the core of what that's about?

 

Some of it is overall vaccine hesitancy - plain scared of needles
It would be interesting to see how many of these people have also let their Tetanus vaccine lapse - and that is a concern if we see another pertussis outbreak because commonly Tetanus is given as a combination with diptheria and whooping cough (pertussis).

The vaccine misinformation though is largely down to 12 sources

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/17/covid-misinformation-conspiracy-theories-ccdh-report

Mercola runs a huge naturopathy site so he very much has a vested interest

 

I haven't met any anti-vaxxers who are afraid of needles. I'm sure they exist but I just haven't met any. I believe the primary issue some people have is (1) information is constantly changing, and (2) there is no point in being afraid of the boogeyman. Everyone is going to die of something and constantly living in fear of that isn't doing anyone any favors.

I know Dr. Mercola and am familiar with his work.

 

Yes so you should be aware he is a snake oil salesman

 

No. I know that he's not. However, I don't begrudge anyone that thinks otherwise.

 

Yeah, getting the vaccine isn't the same as building a bunker...

 

Variants aren't the problem...for the vaccinated. That's the point. Getting the vaccine mitigates virtually the risk. And worst case, we have to get boosters for new variants. To make this clearer, every year there are variants to the flu. Those who get vaccinated get guestimate as to what variants are prominent that year. But even if they guess wrong, those vaccines build immunity year after year. Hence why the flu isn't nearly as lethal as it used to be. Thanks to vaccines.

It's a problem with anyone who is not getting vaccinated. And since Republicans are dragging on it, yes, they are a large part of the problem.

 

Less variants aren't the problem. Serious illness is the problem. The vaccine solves that problem.

Oh, and the survival rate is actually 98.2%. Still good. But that's because many of those unvaccinated survivors spent thousands upon thousands of dollars both direct and indirect medical costs AND may still suffer long term effects. So survival, sure, but why go through all of that for NO reason? Makes no sense at all.

 

In my 60’s the survival rate among the entire population not just the cases is 99.994%.

 

You can't explain stupid, but I'll try.

The vaccines keeps people from dying or getting seriously ill from COVID. NO VACCINE can guarantee stopping any virus from spreading. That's not the goal of a vaccine.

Huh, that was easier than I thought.

Anyway, the vaccine works and the numbers are accurate. Computer, end program.

 

In the overall US population, it's 98.2%. The risk of death from a statistical standpoint of total deaths versus total infections doesn't consider other factors like or medical history. However, I'm sure the risk varies from segment to segment in the population.

 

That percentage is among cases, not the entire population.

 

Total risk of survival all Covid deaths and population is 99.8%. 614,000 deaths, 328,200,000 population.