Can a Christian lose their Salvation, or Are their former Christians (cont.)

I have spoken with you about this supposed 2nd resurrection, and I do not adhere to the Mormon doctrine. I believe your interpretation is a false doctrine.

 

I don't care what you think I was addressing Felicity.

 

Huh???


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oh...well--you did quote my post.... just sayin'


Your concept it entirely fabricated.

 

You can ignore it like I am going to ignore you after this.

 

2Pet.2

[1] But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

 

Looks like you lost a battle of wits with Felicity.

 

Because you never answer the question. You said before someone can be saved who never accepts Christ as their Saviour but are faithful in their own religion.

I ask again because you now seem to say differently. Your explainations prove nothing one way or the other.

You answered yes before. What do you say now?

Quantrill

 

We are not talking about severely mentally handicapped people. We are talking about normal people who are involved in another religion.

Whats disgusting is your refusal to answer the questions and the hat dance you do around them.

Quantrill

 

Where in the Bible is that line of distinction drawn?

Face it, you are professing an unbiblical stance that condems people to hell because YOU think they deserve to go there. Sorry--GOD decides who lives according to his ways, not Quantrill.

Don't make yourself look more foolish by continuing this charade as if your question hasn't been answered. Anyone who cares can easily follow the links:

http://www.politicalforum.com/4772083-post123.html

 

sooooooo....

Now your "no" isn't really "no?"





Matt. 5
[37] Let what you say be simply `Yes' or `No'; anything more than this comes from evil.


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You have answered in different ways.

Ok, Im going with your answer in your post #90. There you asnwered my question which was " So do you believe people of other religions can be saved even though they don't come to Christ? "

Your answer was yes. To which I disagree.

John 3:18

Quantrill

 

How about continuing to read John 3 through verse 21.

[17] For God sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him.
[18] He who believes in him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
[19] And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
[20] For every one who does evil hates the light, and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
[21] But he who does what is true comes to the light, that it may be clearly seen that his deeds have been wrought in God.

Cherry pick verses all you like--but that's how you get your evil doctrine. Get the whole message, not the abridged version.

 

So? You have to come to the light, which is Jesus Christ. Meaning there is no salvation outside of Jesus Christ.

Proves my point.

Quantrill

 

Wow, you are thick-headed. All light is of God--just as all grace and good is of God. Of course there is no salvation outside of Jesus, but one can be saved through Jesus without coming to know Jesus by virtue of living in the LIGHT God gave him or her.

Who knows the depths of an individual's soul? ONLY GOD DOES. I cannot make up some litmus test and make God follow my judgement except in my own free will concerning my own salvation.

Every person is responsible to God--and responsible to come to know the Truth of God as He is to the very best of the abilities that God gave them.

The God you worship is Merciless and Unjust. This God of yours creates people and throws them into circumstances they cannot control and sends them to Hell for their failure to do what they were never able to do as God positioned them. Your God is hateful.

My God is loving--Perfect Justice, but also Omnisciently Merciful. My God knows our hearts--knows what we are able to come to know about him. My God loves the child in China who is raised in a secular world that represses the message of Jesus, and will judge that child according to what God knows his or her ability is to know the "Light" of the world. Maybe that child has heard of Jesus, but all he has heard is that the Westerners foolishly worship a man. God will condemn that person to hell because his culture, his ignorance, his government refuses to allow him to know Jesus? No--God is not hateful--it's illogical. God is Just and Merciful.

People like you condemn the likes of Gandhi to hell. He knew of Jesus; he lived a beautiful life according to the light that God gave him. Cultural influences--governmental abuse of his people from a supposed Christian country--made it IMPOSSIBLE for him to fully know Jesus as Savior. Because of that, according to your man-made doctrine of (*)(*)(*)(*)ation, he MUST be in hell. Ummmm...I leave it to my Just and Merciful God to decide--the One who knows the heart of Gandhi.

 

No, salvation is found only in Jesus Christ. And only for those who place faith in Christ. There is no salvation for those in other religions who do not place faith in Christ.

And, you will see that not all light is of God. Matt. 6:22-23 " The light of the body is the eye:....But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! "

Quantrill

 

The scripture also says that Satan comes as an angle of light. The only ones that will be fooled are those walking in darkness.

 

Again...CONTEXT...read further...
[22]
"The eye is the lamp of the body. So, if your eye is sound, your whole body will be full of light;
[23] but if your eye is not sound, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!
[24] "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.
[25] "Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you shall eat or what you shall drink, nor about your body, what you shall put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing?
...
[30] But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O men of little faith?
[31] Therefore do not be anxious, saying, `What shall we eat?' or `What shall we drink?' or `What shall we wear?'
[32] For the Gentiles seek all these things; and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all.
[33] But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things shall be yours as well. ...
Matt.7
[1]"Judge not, that you be not judged.
[2] For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get.
[3] Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
[4] Or how can you say to your brother, `Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye?
[5] You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
...
[7]"Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
[8] For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.
[9] Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone?
[10] Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent?
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[21]"Not every one who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.


Those of other faiths who "knock" will find--more-so than even those who cry "Lord,Lord," but do not love.

 

Quantrill, I think we're arguing past each other. You're correct in that nobody comes to salvation except through Jesus Christ, as it says in Acts: "For there is no other name under heaven, given among men, by which we must be saved." Nobody who goes to heaven does an end run around Jesus. But where many Protestants fall into error is assuming that full mental assent to the gospel must be made in this lifetime. For varying reasons, many people are unable to come to full understanding of the gospel by which they can make an informed choice. What happens to them is a mystery because Scripture is largely silent on this issue, but we can still trust that God is fair and inclined toward mercy.

Something a lot of people miss is when Jesus was talking about the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. He said such a person would not receive forgiveness "in this age or the age to come". This alludes to transactions that happen after this life, transactions that Protestants insist can only occur in this life. In saying that some will not receive forgiveness in the age to come, Jesus is revealing that there is forgiveness for others in the age to come.

This isn't a second chance for those who by their own volition reject the love and grace of God as best they could understand it. It isn't a second chance for those who have heard the gospel and declined the offer of salvation. It's a frank acknowledgement that God loves every single person who He has created in His image and seeks a relationship with them that begins in this life and then extends into eternity. Those who live lives of love, humility, and grace can be said to demonstrate a response to God's grace even if they've never come to understand the complete revelation of God in the gospel of Christ Jesus.

 

Nicely said--but to be sure, it is not the "2nd resurrection" BFSmith talks about, where (*)(*)(*)(*)ed souls get a second chance--it is what is called Purgatory by people of Catholic Faiths.

 

Yeah. I tried to avoid the P word because it shuts off their thinking when they hear it.

 

Nothing in Truth to be afraid of.

 

Again, you prove my point. "I never knew you" And nothing is said about 'love'. Thats your addition.

And it doesn't say those who are of another faith will enter into the kingdom. It says those who do the will of the Father. And what is His will?

John 6:39 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life:...

So, only those who do the will of the Father will enter. And the will of the Father is to believe on the Son for eternal life. All others who cry Lord, Lord, but don't come through the Son, is lost.

Quantrill

 

Im not talking about a second chance. Im talking about being saved without exercising faith in Jesus Christ.

And I disagree with you. A lot of good people who exercise love, humility, and grace (of man), do not believe in Jesus Christ as their Saviour. They are not saved. If they happen to not know about Him, they still are not saved.

People involved in other religions outside of Christ, are not saved. Just because they are religious and have a belief in a god, does not make them saved. They must come to Christ.

Quantrill

 

1 Cor. 13:1-2....don't forget verse 2!

Do you know His will? As pointed out, in Romans, it said that PHARAOH did His will when he acted with a hardened heart.

Sure that is God's will...does that mean it's the ONLY thing He wills? No.

Point me to the verse that says if you don't believe that Jesus as the Son of God you cannot be saved.

Of course all salvation is THROUGH Jesus, but that doesn't mean God is a slave to the rigid "law" that you are professing--the New Covenant made that legalistic mode of expiation obsolete!